[A, sort of]California is desiccating![A, sort of]

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'Cause I took this pic while making a run to Columbia (O22) yesterday. Anyway, that is Camanche reservoir. You can kind of tell from the picture where the normal high water line is. Most of the shoreline you see and the islands are normally under water.

Oh by the way my lawn is completely dead. Common sight here lately.
 

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Sac Arrow said:
Oh by the way my lawn is completely dead. Common sight here lately.
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Here too, my lawn is brown, and dusty. here on the Island we have not had any rain since the first of May.
 
Just got an email advertisement from Forever Resorts Houseboats promoting exploring the "Hidden Secrets of Lower Water Levels"

When life give you lemons....

(you can't make lemonade cuz there is no water left!)
 
Can't drink dust......

We've had 41" so far here in AR. Talked to my mom today in Paso Robles and their well is just about dry. The vineyards have pumped the ground empty. And some Arsewad vineyard bull dozed a huge reservoir on their land, pumped it full and keep it full so they will have plenty of water on hand whilst screwing the rest of the land onwards nearby. It's a brand new vineyard, it's not like they have been there for any appreciable time.

Talk about an jackwad move!
 
"The Media" has been talking a lot lately about a big El Nino year. Big droughts are often followed by big floods.
 
It was a lot worse at the end of the '85 to '91 drought. at Don Pedro reservoir you went all the way to the bottom of the launch ramp then took a dirt road for another quarter mile down to the water.
 
Desiccating.... does that mean it's becoming a desert? Oh, wait... never mind.
 
Californi-mexi-china has a problem with water MANAGEMENT, not mmgw, drought, or anything else. Now that their generational policies of ignoring their water management problem have come home to roost, the politicians that allowed the nut balls to impose such stupid planning are turning on the people affected by their stupidity, instead of facing up to the problem.
 
There's a problem with water management because too many people for nature alone to provide for.
 
And too little intentional planning BEFORE the "crisis" instead of panic after it set in. Just like Californ-I-mexi-china never wanted to face their electricity problem, they refused to face their water needs.
 
Florida Cracker said:
And too little intentional planning BEFORE the "crisis" instead of panic after it set in. Just like Californ-I-mexi-china never wanted to face their electricity problem, they refused to face their water needs.
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The entire world is in the same situation. This isn't a local problem, it's a global one.
 
Florida Cracker said:
Californi-mexi-china has a problem with water MANAGEMENT, not mmgw, drought, or anything else. Now that their generational policies of ignoring their water management problem have come home to roost, the politicians that allowed the nut balls to impose such stupid planning are turning on the people affected by their stupidity, instead of facing up to the problem.
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Bingo, the population and industry has grown tremendously since the last damn was built. On top of that we now have to let more water go to the ocean to keep a none native species of smelt alive. In tough times you should not let 50% of your water shed go into the ocean, and should plan ahead for the next drought by building up the infrastructure instead of wasting billions on a bullet train from fresno to bakersfield.
 
Henning said:
There's a problem with water management because too many people for nature alone to provide for.
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The population of California cant be sustainable. This doesn't even include future pending disasters (earth quakes and volcanoes) that have yet to happen.
 
bnt83 said:
The population of California cant be sustainable. This doesn't even include future pending disasters (earth quakes and volcanoes) that have yet to happen.
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The key to sustain the population is to quit wasting so much energy in the production process and reclaim it for distilling water. The key to sustaining the species is to get us off the planet.
 
Why do so many people who don't live in California spend so much time worrying about us? :dunno:
 
Silvaire said:
Why do so many people who don't live in California spend so much time worrying about us? :dunno:
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Because you migrate, and spread the policies that made you move.
 
Silvaire said:
Why do so many people who don't live in California spend so much time worrying about us? :dunno:
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Because California is not only one of the biggest economies in the world, it is also one of the biggest agricultural producers. What happens in California not only affects California, it affects the country and the world.

We live in a closed circuit environment with no way out, and no way to add resources. There is no 'there' and 'they', there is only 'here' and 'we' for the foreseeable future.

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Silvaire said:
Why do so many people who don't live in California spend so much time worrying about us? :dunno:
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Who will have to rescue you when the **** hits the fan?

Most of LA's drinking water comes from the Colorado river, this is vital right?

Channeling water over 200 miles then pumping it over mountains to feed a cities thirst seems...........fragile.

Those pumping stations use dozens of huge electric motors >10,000 horsepower each. They are powered by dams that over 200 miles away.
 
bnt83 said:
Who will have to rescue you when the **** hits the fan?

Most of LA's drinking water comes from the Colorado river, this is vital right?

Channeling water over 200 miles then pumping it over mountains to feed a cities thirst seems...........fragile.

Those pumping stations use dozens of huge electric motors >10,000 horsepower each. They are powered by dams that over 200 miles away.
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Civilization is fragile. Climate change has negatively impacted and probably brought down thriving civilizations before. It is the ultimate hubris to think that ours is immune.
 
The smart thing would be to allow cali-mexi-china to implode, even if it tanks the economy for little while. Once the collapse occurs, intelligent adults can start to work towards better outcomes, instead of a bunch of azzholes pandering to snail darters, and smelts, instead of electricity and clean water.
 
Silvaire said:
Why do so many people who don't live in California spend so much time worrying about us? :dunno:
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I don't worry about Californians so much as puzzle about them.

Everything about California's natural history, geology, geography, and hydrology suggest that most of the state is unsuitable for human habitation and should never have been settled (other than for a small number of farmers to work the land). And yet not only has it been settled, but the very parts of the state that are most hostile to human habitation are also the parts that have been most densely settled, despite lacking even the most basic resource needed to sustain human life: water.

To me, that doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. It seems nonsensical to me for people to insist on settling -- indeed, overpopulating -- a place whose entire natural history screams out that it doesn't want those people there. Never-ending earthquakes, tidal waves, wildfires, hurricanes, floods, and droughts all scream out that most of California is not a place meant for people. What else does nature have to do to get that message across?

I mean, to me, it's pretty damned obvious that the only real problem California has is too many people in a place that is inherently inhospitable to humans; and that the only real solution is to move the people elsewhere. Get the people out of there, and nature will recover and will do just fine. Even the Delta Smelt will be happy.

But that won't happen because somewhere in the midst of the earthquakes, tidal waves, wildfires, hurricanes, floods, and droughts, Californians have decided that they live in "Paradise," which is even more puzzling considering that "paradise" connotes a perfect place of perpetual peace and providence -- quite the opposite message from the one nature has been trying to send, to no avail.

So yes, I puzzle about Californians. But hey, to each his own. The people in California love where they live, and that's good. But it's a shame that they love their state so much that they're going to wind up killing it, rather than saving it by moving elsewhere.

Rich
 
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Tom-D said:
Because you migrate, and spread the policies that made you move.
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Ouch, but true. When I migrate from komnifornia you won't have to worry about me bringing any stupid policies or ideas with me, I will be running away from them.

Kalifornia does not have a water shortage problem we have a water storage problem that has never been addressed over my life time.!! It's damn near impossible to build a damn because you might displace some beetle and the enviromaniacs will block you at every turn.
 
1RTK1 said:
Ouch, but true. When I migrate from komnifornia you won't have to worry about me bringing any stupid policies or ideas with me, I will be running away from them.

Kalifornia does not have a water shortage problem we have a water storage problem that has never been addressed over my life time.!! It's damn near impossible to build a damn because you might displace some beetle and the enviromaniacs will block you at every turn.
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The Californians that drive us nuts are the ones that buy a house half way up the hillside because it has so many beautiful trees and it is so green and lush. 3 months after they move in, sue every one below them on the hill side to cut their trees so the new buyer can have a view. After they win and all the tress are gone, the hillside slides, then they sue the state because they did not protect their house.
 
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Sometimes I wish we could let cal-i-mexi-china go become an independent nation, and make them take all the illegal aliens AND their facilitators with them. Then let them try to survive without the federal branch to waste billions and billions on their stupid pet projects, and idiotic political agendas.

In other words, Let Them Fail.
 
Read an article the other day that California is 'missing' a full year's worth of rainfall now.

Also lots of cities are opening new or re-opening shuttered desalinization plants to try and mitigate the worst effects of the drought.
 
Unit74 said:
Can't drink dust......

We've had 41" so far here in AR. Talked to my mom today in Paso Robles and their well is just about dry. The vineyards have pumped the ground empty. And some Arsewad vineyard bull dozed a huge reservoir on their land, pumped it full and keep it full so they will have plenty of water on hand whilst screwing the rest of the land onwards nearby. It's a brand new vineyard, it's not like they have been there for any appreciable time.

Talk about an jackwad move!
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Paso Robles is in bad shape. Lake Nacimiento is in pathetic shape and they have stopped all release from it until fall and Lake San Antonio is completely empty and closed. Those lakes are fed entirely by local rain fall, so they are going to need one hell of a rainy season to get back up to speed.
 
Silvaire said:
It was a lot worse at the end of the '85 to '91 drought. at Don Pedro reservoir you went all the way to the bottom of the launch ramp then took a dirt road for another quarter mile down to the water.
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It's like that now. We used camp and boat on Don Pedro every year but stopped last year. We always went to Moccasin Point and last year they closed the whole thing to do work for this year. I flew over there recently and they had to build all new dirt roads down to a new low level ramp. The store and marina are gone and all the house boats have been moved down by the dam. The camp grounds that used to be next to the water, are now about a mile away from any water.

Moccasin Point is open this year, but I won't be returning to that lake until it fills it's way back up.:(
 
RJM62 said:
Everything about California's natural history, geology, geography, and hydrology suggest that most of the state is unsuitable for human habitation and should never have been settled (other than for a small number of farmers to work the land).
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Sane could be said for the Gulf Coat or any other area that gets battered by hurricanes or tornadoes (CA does not have hurricanes BTW...or at least not any of significant impact compared the rest of the country)

Florida Cracker said:
In other words, Let Them Fail.
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CA being the 8th largest economy in the world gives to the Federal Government as a whole FAR more than it receives back in Federal resources. We will be just fine.

If you hate CA...please...stay out!
 
Fredbob711 said:
Read an article the other day that California is 'missing' a full year's worth of rainfall now.

Also lots of cities are opening new or re-opening shuttered desalinization plants to try and mitigate the worst effects of the drought.
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The history of desalinization in California is a sad one. Desalinization is very expensive and so as soon as the rains do come and the reservoirs fill up, the desal plants get shut down and later sold off for scrap because reservoirs are way, way cheaper to run.

People on the street here talk about desal plants, but I haven't seen any proposals to actually build any more, or open any. We just keep hoping the winter will bring lots of rain every year and then we can go on with business as usual. If the doomsayers are correct and this is the new dry California due to climate change, eventually desal will be a serious reality here, but it will take a few more dry years to get that ball rolling and if they're right about this big El Nino, it will be more like a decade before anyone takes the idea seriously.
 
Shawn said:
Sane could be said for the Gulf Coat or any other area that gets battered by hurricanes or tornadoes (CA does not have hurricanes BTW...or at least not any of significant impact compared the rest of the country)



CA being the 8th largest economy in the world gives to the Federal Government as a whole FAR more than it receives back in Federal resources. We will be just fine.

If you hate CA...please...stay out!
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No kidding. A lot of dumb talk about California. We'll be just fine. A whole lot of states in the union have areas where humans just weren't meant to live, or overpopulation for the natural resources at hand and yet we keep building and moving on. These population problems are not unique to California in any way.

Next time you guys up in New England have one of your fantastic winters all full of ice and snow, ask yourself, could your people survive the winter if they cut off the gas and oil supply? Would there be enough trees to cut down and burn? If there is, what about the next winter, would there be enough trees again? I would suggest that there are way more people living in New England than the natural resources of New England can actually supply.
 
Dav8or said:
. We just keep hoping the winter will bring lots of rain every year and then we can go on with business as usual. y.
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That's the problem in a nut shell. I have lived here all my life and have been through a few droughts. The population keeps growing along with the need for more water.
When will the idiots in sacramento finally decide a new damn or two would get us through the dry times as well as fulfill the future needs.................... It will only happen when the people in the large cities have severe water restrictions and can't take showers.................. The farmers are conserving water as much a physically possible, hell it's over a $1000 per acre feet in some places which used to be $30.......
 
Dav8or said:
No kidding. A lot of dumb talk about California. We'll be just fine. A whole lot of states in the union have areas where humans just weren't meant to live, or overpopulation for the natural resources at hand and yet we keep building and moving on. These population problems are not unique to California in any way.

Next time you guys up in New England have one of your fantastic winters all full of ice and snow, ask yourself, could your people survive the winter if they cut off the gas and oil supply? Would there be enough trees to cut down and burn? If there is, what about the next winter, would there be enough trees again? I would suggest that there are way more people living in New England than the natural resources of New England can actually supply.
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I actually happen to agree with you and would throw New York City in there, as well. I think anyone building anything of consequence in New York City needs to have their head examined. Regardless of your beliefs about why, it does seem that climate change -- whatever the reasons -- may cause New York City and other sea-level cities to be underwater in the not-so-distant future. So why build there? Move elsewhere.

That's just common sense, not "dumb talk." When populating a land mass is no longer viable, then it's time to depopulate it. Nature can take care of herself once the people get out of the way.

Rich
 
"by 2020 desal is supposed to make up 7 percent of total supply"

http://www.wired.com/2015/08/one-way-fight-californias-drought-desalting-ocean/

A BILLION $ Desal plant is supposed to supply enough water for a measly 300,000 people.

Desalinated water typically costs about $2,000 an acre foot -- roughly the amount of water a family of five uses in a year. The cost is about double that of water obtained from building a new reservoir or recycling wastewater, according to a 2013 study from the state Department of Water Resources.

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near
 
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One more funny note about kalifornia and san francisco in particular... Some time ago there was a movement by people from san francisco to remove the hetch hetchy dam and return that part of yosemity to it's natural beauty. Those dumb SOB's didn't realize or didn't care they get most of their water from that dam.
 
Large scale desal only makes sense if you're willing to also construct nuclear power plants to run them. They are extremely energy intensive. But you also have to realize that MOST of the water usage throughout the state is agricultural. It might make sense to construct some decentralized desal plants for limited drinking water supply, but it is completely nonviable economically to produce desal water for farmland irrigation.
 
1RTK1 said:
One more funny note about kalifornia and san francisco in particular... Some time ago there was a movement by people from san francisco to remove the hetch hetchy dam and return that part of yosemity to it's natural beauty. Those dumb SOB's didn't realize or didn't care they get most of their water from that dam.
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Its also the cheapest surface drinking water supply in the state. It is exempt from treatment requirements.
 
Sac Arrow said:
But you also have to realize that MOST of the water usage throughout the state is agricultural. It might make sense to construct some decentralized desal plants for limited drinking water supply, but it is completely nonviable economically to produce desal water for farmland irrigation.
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Actually "nature" "environmental causes" is/are the biggest consumer of water, with over 50+% mandated by the state for streams, fish, estuaries, etc. Basically it goes into the ocean.
The mass media has done a very good job of lying in their reports/articles of agriculture using the majority of stored water. Mr. MoonBeam (for those that don't know he is our governor) says it's 80% so everyone drinks the kool-aid..........It is NOT so.
You are correct desal will not work for farming

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-use-80-percent-californias-water-devin-nunes
 
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