A plane for sale for our "High and really FAAAAST" crowd

A description from one of the ads for a 1981 Dornier Alpha Jet.

Advanced trainer/light attack jet. .95 Mach top speed, 50K feet ceiling, this German built, transonic aircraft is very reliable w/ a 800-1000 nm range. Serious inquiries only. Extremely clean, low time and rugged high performance aircraft with twin engine

1981 Alpha Jet for sale. Serious inquiries only.

Very Good low time Alpha Jet., $975,000

SN 114, tail # N114ZA TTAF 2510
Aircraft in very good condition, C6 engines, paint fair. Include 80 gallon drop tanks and inner pylons.

Serious inquiries means that you have the cash to pay for this aircraft and can throw it out the window of a fast moving car on a Chicago freeway without breaking a sweat, and that you don't live in the basement of your mother's house.​
 
$85,900 for what will never be more than a static display? No thanks.
 
If it's got a normalish airworthiness and all the bits and pieces, if i were a millionaire I'd seriously consider it, it's also by far my favorite jet, and one of my favorite planes of all time.

Also not the type of plane I think one would insure.
 
They didn't bother to remove the buckets of concrete from the cockpit to take the pics. It's clearly not being properly cared for.
 
Yeah but..... how cool would it be to open your hangar door and have everyone see this sitting inside..??? :cool::cool:
 
Check the history of F-104s and see how many have crashed. Not the best safety record of the military fighters. But if ya got a few million and can pay for the go juice, have at it. You can always eject!
 
Out of curiosity, is it possible for a civilian to own a military ejection seat with live rockets?
 
Salty said:
Out of curiosity, is it possible for a civilian to own a military ejection seat with live rockets?
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Yes
Last I heard they had to be maintained per manufacturer, and might be expensive. I believe I have read of L39, etc with hot seats in the US
 
Salty said:
Out of curiosity, is it possible for a civilian to own a military ejection seat with live rockets?
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With the proper FFL, shouldn't be an issue, right?
 
Oh yeah. Just don't take it over FL1000

 
mscard88 said:
Check the history of F-104s and see how many have crashed. Not the best safety record of the military fighters. But if ya got a few million and can pay for the go juice, have at it. You can always eject!
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"Military fighter" and "safety record" seem rather incongruous in the same sentence. ;)

The F104 needs to be put in the context of the age in which it was designed and put in service. No zero-zero ejections seats back then, as just one example of how the times have changed. And something that is basically a rocket with tiny wings makes a rather poor ground attack platform, although that is what NATO tried to adapt it to in Europe.

I believe there's one in Phoenix if anyone wants to buy a ride.
 
Are those Jordanian Air Force markings? Didn't know they'd operated 104s, but I see them listed in Wikipedia.....

Ron Wanttaja
 
Add $500,000 for the first annual, but who would do it?

Think about this a minute

If you could find an A&P-IA stupid enough to do the annual, would you want them to do it?
 
I had the honor of taking an ex-USAF and airline pilot flying with me about 3 years ago. He'd flown the F-80, F-84, F-86, and F-104 in the USAF. To paraphrase what he said about the 104, he said you took off fast, flew fast, and landed fast. Anything less would get you in trouble.
 
Wow! Is this right? This thing will do over Mach 2?

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Detail of F-104G's J79 turbojet exhaust (the red coloring has been added by the museum)
The F-104 was designed to use the General Electric J79 turbojet engine,[12] fed by side-mounted intakes with fixed inlet cones optimized for supersonic speeds. Unlike some supersonic aircraft, the F-104 did not have variable-geometry inlets. Its thrust-to-drag ratio was excellent, allowing a maximum speed well in excess of Mach 2.
(from wikipedia)

I'd like to calculate some flight times punching it up over Mach 2. Can I strap that engine to a 182 and go that fast?
 
Lachlan said:
It's spin certified with that T-tail, right? I didn't see a Garmin in that panel, so I'm a little concerned someone could get lost flying that thing. How do you sump a drop tank, anyway?
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'Sump ting wong, dwop the tank!'
 
ETres said:
How do you sump a drop tank, anyway?
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Some have a low point drain.
But it is never used. enough water to put that fire out would be noticed long before the aircraft was airborne.
 
Can you tanker at M2? Me thinks you will need it :)
 
I see a POA dogfight coming.. Maybe some of our resident military could teach a class and turn youse guys loose
 
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