A New GA Activity

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So just when I thought I had seen or done most of what there was to do in a small plane (fly outs, cross countries, spot landing contests, flour bombings, aerobatics, coordinated formation flying, uncoordinated / improv formation flying) . . . .

I discovered something completely new and different to do in an airplane!

I've read about this for at least two years, since I remain on the 99s mailing lists.

In January (roughly) a "whale watching" fly-out is planned. This was really interesting to me in the way that it was coordinated (and told to ATC etc).

Since the location of the whales would cost me more than 4 hours of flying time in my tiny rental 150 - I found someone willing to take a passenger instead.

We departed in a 182 from San Jose International (a class Charlie). I think that is the only time I have departed from a class Charlie. I could not even park my car, walk to the bathroom, or move around without an escort. Definitely a higher level of security than I'm used to.

I just stared at all the Southwest Jets like a child since I barely see them let alone share runways and taxiways with the big 737s. I was pretty excited.

(We even got to land on a parallel runway with one Southwest Jet coming home but they were too far behind us for me to look out the passenger window and see them.)

So the plan was to meet up with about 25 - 35 people (anywhere from 2-4 people per plane) for lunch in Watsonville around noon. Whale watching either before or after (or both) was encouraged.

I don't have a lot of "air to air" transmission experience, so it was a treat to hear the pilots announce their rough positions to one another.

In the email briefing, it was encouraged that one person JUST FLY THE PLANE and that only the passengers look out for whales. It was also suggested that we communicate on a frequency which was predefined. In addition, those planes headed south were to be more inland, and those headed north were to be further out towards the water, with all turns of the rectangular "pattern" to be announced.

In reality, there were lots of planes, most not announcing at all on frequency, and several going the wrong way. Oh well.

If a whale was spotted, the pilot was to fly a 360 around it or a "turn about a point". This was to make the location of the whale pod more obvious to other pilots.

Because Point Sur is near Monterey (another class Charlie) - ATC kept us on a sqwak code even when we told them we were leaving their frequency, but then ATC told us to call them back on frequency when we were within 10 miles of the Charlie's outer ring of airspace.

This would be when we were headed back to shore for lunch.

Rules for marine protection indicate that you must be 2000 feet AGL (or higher) when over certain parts of the ocean.... which is why the email briefing suggested we keep in constant contact with one another. Several planes, 1-5 miles out over open ocean, at the same altitude . . . can be tricky. Heads were to be kept on a swivel.

Of course, in training, it is not recommended you take a single engine out over open water when you are not within gliding distance of land . . . so that too added to the risk.

I'll upload pictures in a minute. We left SJC in a female piloted 182 with 4 souls on board, flew south of Monterey and into a "whale watching pattern," saw many whales, headed back inland to land at Watsonville, had lunch with 35 people, then took off from Watsonville for a very short flight back to San Jose.

It was PERFECT weather and everything went off without a hitch. I bought the pilot lunch and washed her windows and leading edges after the flight as a thank you.

Just wanted to share because Saturday reminded me that there is so much you can do out there in an airplane.

This pilot had over 2000 hours and I continue to learn and grow by simply watching other pilots fly planes. She was very safe and professional.
 
Thank you so very much in showing a small window in the "reasons to fly" window.

Get a friend and fly. Just fly..
 
Sounds like you had a good time. Good to "see" you back on the board.

BTW, we could use some pictures of the event. :D
 
Nice post ,sounds like you had a great time. Hope you got some good pictures.
 
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Look at the Southwest Jet! So close I can almost see the pilot rolling his eyes because he has to wait for a 182 to take off.
 
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Our beautiful CA coastline. South of Monterey, headed towards the whale watching area out at sea.
 
But - no pic of the whales. Hmmmmmmm

I did this out of San diego back in the early 80s. Fun, but the whale watch boats don't like it much.
 
Water survival 101, be wearing an immersion suit to the waist ready to slip in the arms and pull the hood and zipper on the way down. Sans a survival suit, silk long johns top and bottom, tight fitting polar fleece over that, and a tight, dense weave elastic or tied cuff coverall over that. Wool cap and thick fleece socks. Use the H.E.L.P. (heat escape loss prevention) position while waiting for rescue. Pull yourself into a fetal position ball wrapping your arms around your shins to minimize water circulation in your groin and armpits. This time of year your survival time in the water is pretty low unless you conserve heat best that you can. Another good one is go to a dive shop and get a fleece lined titanium/Lycra dive skin to wear as your long John set, that should buy you a couple of hours. Get your own 406 G/PLB to keep on you.
 
Is this another obstructive sleep apnea thread? :)


Sounds like fun. Could you see much of the whale from 2k up?
 
Over the cold ocean with a bunch of planes looking for gray blobs in gray water seems like a recipe for disaster. Not saying people shouldn't, just off the risk reward scale to me.
 
Sounds like fun Kim!


Here is a picture of the ones I shot in Glacier Bay, Alaska last summer. 30 miles NW of Juneau.

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Man, one more reason it's amazing I survived. We did it in a Citabria, wearing shorts and tee shirts. Once in a while during a banner tow down the beach.
 
Water survival 101, be wearing an immersion suit to the waist ready to slip in the arms and pull the hood and zipper on the way down. Sans a survival suit, silk long johns top and bottom, tight fitting polar fleece over that, and a tight, dense weave elastic or tied cuff coverall over that. Wool cap and thick fleece socks. Use the H.E.L.P. (heat escape loss prevention) position while waiting for rescue. Pull yourself into a fetal position ball wrapping your arms around your shins to minimize water circulation in your groin and armpits. This time of year your survival time in the water is pretty low unless you conserve heat best that you can. Another good one is go to a dive shop and get a fleece lined titanium/Lycra dive skin to wear as your long John set, that should buy you a couple of hours. Get your own 406 G/PLB to keep on you.

Henning I'd think you'd get weighed down by wet fleece.
 
Henning I'd think you'd get weighed down by wet fleece.

That's why you have a flotation device. The polar fleece is buoyant, it's made of used milk jugs. The key is to get a layer of water next to your body warmed and to keep it there. The water she's over is probably around 50-55° at this point.
 
That's why you have a flotation device. The polar fleece is buoyant, it's made of used milk jugs. The key is to get a layer of water next to your body warmed and to keep it there. The water she's over is probably around 50-55° at this point.

Once I got SCUBA cert'd and on my ocean dive my thermometer indicated 43.

None of the 35 people had any survival gear on. Our pax did have a personal ELT linked to the plane's tail number.
 
Once I got SCUBA cert'd and on my ocean dive my thermometer indicated 43.

None of the 35 people had any survival gear on. Our pax did have a personal ELT linked to the plane's tail number.

Get your own if you're gonna continue these flights, they're under $250 these days. Not having any survival gear low over that water single engine isn't particularly wise. At least a polar fleece Lycra dive skin under your clothes will buy you a lot more time in the water than just some loose fitting comfy clothes. You might be hot in the plane, but at least if you go in you'll be able to hang in for rescue if you have your own PLB on. Not a lot of boating going on out there this time of year.
 
I just checked and we have no such flight activities scheduled here in Minnesota. The closest I could find was a Muskie Watching Fly Out, but that was postponed until at least April, maybe May, depending on when the ice goes out this year. With the brutal cold we've had it may be June. I will keep you posted.
 
Kimberly, I seem to recall you doing primary training at Oakland. This wouldn't be your first Class C.

SJC is definitely a lot more "in your face" than any of the other Class C's in the region, as there is no separation on the ground between quite a number of jets and spam cans.

I've considered a solo whale watching trip, much closer to shore (there is a humpback spot west of Moss Landing, and gray spots in season near Davenport and Pt. Reyes -- though grays are not in season now). But I haven't done it.

The spot west of Moss Landing is interesting, as there is very deep water just 2-3 miles off shore. In a 172, that ought to make Henning happy (maybe with a little extra altitude). I've been there in a boat and spotted dozens of humpbacks, on a random winter day.
 
Kimberly - happy to see you posting here again! Great post!
 
SJC is definitely a lot more "in your face" than any of the other Class C's in the region, as there is no separation on the ground between quite a number of jets and spam cans.
Same here. KABQ is a Charlie but everyone walks on GA ramp. The only requirement is a basic door that the front desk girl opens for you.
 
Great writeup thanks for the information. The pictures you posted of the coastline just makes flying the California Coast more appealing. I hope I can swing it for the Moto GP this year.
 
There is some phenomenal flying around here.

Especially since the weather has been cooperating in a huge way.

It's a bit hazy over the Bay, but not on the coast. Clear and a million, minimal wind.
 
Kimberly, I seem to recall you doing primary training at Oakland. This wouldn't be your first Class C.

SJC is definitely a lot more "in your face" than any of the other Class C's in the region, as there is no separation on the ground between quite a number of jets and spam cans.

I've considered a solo whale watching trip, much closer to shore (there is a humpback spot west of Moss Landing, and gray spots in season near Davenport and Pt. Reyes -- though grays are not in season now). But I haven't done it.

The spot west of Moss Landing is interesting, as there is very deep water just 2-3 miles off shore. In a 172, that ought to make Henning happy (maybe with a little extra altitude). I've been there in a boat and spotted dozens of humpbacks, on a random winter day.

I have landed at a class Charlie before (and stayed in the plane and taken off again). I have hosted my plane at an FBO before at a Delta or Charlie. This was my first Charlie departure, as in, getting through the drive gate (needed escort), parking (needed written permit from airport), going to the bathroom (needed escort). I was told there would be a $300 fine to the hangar owner every time I was spotted on camera on my own.
 
The most awesome aviation restaurant (so far) that I've been to. I had the blackened salmon salad (Watsonville airport, restaurant on / near transient parking):



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I'm assuming this is at someone's private hangar on the field? At the FBO, I've never had this kind of scrutiny at SJC or any other C. I don't even get it at KLAS and KSLC, two B's I fly into and out of regularly. I'm sure you feel much safer now when you fly commercial.
 
I have landed at a class Charlie before (and stayed in the plane and taken off again). I have hosted my plane at an FBO before at a Delta or Charlie. This was my first Charlie departure, as in, getting through the drive gate (needed escort), parking (needed written permit from airport), going to the bathroom (needed escort). I was told there would be a $300 fine to the hangar owner every time I was spotted on camera on my own.

Wow, Oakland sure is a lot more laid back than that.

I parked next to Signature, chatted with the receptionist, then went on my merry way, kid in tow, and walked a few blocks to the air museum. The receptionist had to buzz me back in, but that was it.

I wonder if my PIV badge works at SJC. It's good for the NUQ airfield.

Hell, even Edwards is more laid back than that. Just don't try to take photos of the flight line unless you like sniffing dirt.
 
I'm assuming this is at someone's private hangar on the field? At the FBO, I've never had this kind of scrutiny at SJC or any other C. I don't even get it at KLAS and KSLC, two B's I fly into and out of regularly. I'm sure you feel much safer now when you fly commercial.

Yes, privately owned 182 and private hangar. Beautiful red leather couches, I just love seeing what people do with their "airplane homes".
 
'Sounds like a great flying activity...
Now, if you REALLY want to see whales, as part of a flying adventure... consider doing a Whales trip with the Baja Bush Pilots. We're going for our 3rd time this March.
40-60 planes on each trip in the past few years. Great fun.

more info here...
 
I'm assuming this is at someone's private hangar on the field? At the FBO, I've never had this kind of scrutiny at SJC or any other C. I don't even get it at KLAS and KSLC, two B's I fly into and out of regularly. I'm sure you feel much safer now when you fly commercial.

In regards to flying commercial, I often go 0.5 - 1 or even 3 years without doing so (I can't afford the airfare).

But yes, not only do I relax more now when I fly commercial (I used to be scared on takeoff and landing), but I always say "hello" and "goodbye" to my pilots, sometimes track the flight via printed charts or ipad, and in general feel very safe in the knowledge that commercial aviation is one of the safest forms of transportation on this planet.

I have many pictures (see below) where they insisted that I take their seat. Captain or first officer.

This is a 737 when I flew to the Pilots Of America annual "Gastons" fly-in.


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I have landed at a class Charlie before (and stayed in the plane and taken off again). I have hosted my plane at an FBO before at a Delta or Charlie. This was my first Charlie departure, as in, getting through the drive gate (needed escort), parking (needed written permit from airport), going to the bathroom (needed escort). I was told there would be a $300 fine to the hangar owner every time I was spotted on camera on my own.

This isn't a class c thing. This is a TSA, "save the children" thing. You will find this kind of thing at all sizes of airports, and likely has as much to do with part121 flights or the ability for the airport to get grants to install the gates/etc.
 
I was told there would be a $300 fine to the hangar owner every time I was spotted on camera on my own.
How could anyone put up with that? We should all start wearing these on every airport ramp.
 

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That's too close behind that MD-80. He can't see you, and if he gets slightly heavy on the throttle, it can ruin your whole day.

400 feet behind a running turbofan is the minimum we're allowed on foot, and a light airplane is even more vulnerable.

Those engines each generate enough thrust to blow away a loaded 182 some 6 or 7 times over.
 
MASS BAY is home to some 400 or more right whales through June, though many stick around all year. I've flown out to Provincetown to watch them.
 
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That's too close behind that MD-80. He can't see you, and if he gets slightly heavy on the throttle, it can ruin your whole day.

400 feet behind a running turbofan is the minimum we're allowed on foot, and a light airplane is even more vulnerable.

Those engines each generate enough thrust to blow away a loaded 182 some 6 or 7 times over.

Was doing night landings El Paso and was switched to runway 22. I heard a FedEx heavy say he was having an issue after given takeoff clearance and was going to return to their staging area. After stop-n-go, I was on the go and happened to look to the right. He was on the taxiway, beacons and nav lights OFF (rear facing runway) and I just figured he was probably going to be spooled up. Rotation point was just forward of his position, I already had ailerons in and got quite a blast from the left side. Have also run into remnants of their wake nearly 3 minutes after they're departure.
 
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