denverpilot
Tied Down
Can't blame the lass. Sorry, when some one calls you a liar and a cheat it really doesn't foster a climate of calm equanimous discussion. Those of you claiming all climatologists are just a bunch of liars fabricating data to whore off grant money are basically doing just that. The mistrust of the scientific community is just breathtaking. This is a frightening development in America, since the folks looking at this are likely in the upper echelons of the socioeconomic ladder. I hesitate to think what's going on around the lower rungs.
A society that mistrusts science and technology will not be blessed with such. A dangerous turn for a society that's made its living from technological development.
There's also mistrust of politicians, mistrust of police, and mistrust of lots of other folk.
This type of mistrust doesn't stem or start from nothing. The scientists, politicians, police, etc... all need to clean house of their own charlatans and misbehaving members and show a continuous willingness to do so. In fact the groups need to be much harder on themselves than any outsider for it to seem genuine.
Each group has their own "thin blue line" in many ways, to use the police analogy. The expectation of the public is to be lied to by all, at this point. Seeing any particular insular community blast one of their own, isn't necessarily nice, but it is what's going to be required to regain the public trust.
Leadership in public servant positions includes calling out the bad apples and voting them off the island, if you're asking the public to pay for your life. It's really REALLY rare to see it, though.
And yeah, my industry is absolutely chock full of the same horse crap. Trust us, we'll build software and systems that will save or make you money... But they'll be so buggy you'll have to pay us to buy next year's version on installments, starting now. I totally see that. IT is awful. I'm willing to point it out when I see it, and say those people and products aren't worth spending any money or time on them. Sadly, the entire industry has gone to the model that you don't own software, and it's never ever a finished product. I'm somewhat ashamed to be involved in it.
I see little shame mentioned by most government groups about their wayward spending, non-existent goals, and lack of interest in tossing the dead weight overboard.
And there's certainly at least a couple of very high profile folk in the climate change debates that need to be tossed overboard by the scientific community in order to regain the public trust. Just like there's cops who need to be tossed, politicians who need to be tossed, and a whole lot of unnecessary spending that needs to be stopped.