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Arriving from the east on Sunday morning, possible weather, assume landing east.
Anyone know if it's likely to be the PHRED.THRNE3 ?
How do they handle crossing any vfr VNY traffic, the 08 approach appears to go right over the runway end of VNY, and not terribly much higher than TPA.
Lots of info on noise abatement, the phone number offered for info on that in the AFD is not answered - I think I have it narrowed down to 'largely not applicable' to my situation (Ce-525) - confirmation would be nice.
Any other local tips welcome.
Edit: oh - the fires, as of now looks like they will be unlikely to affect my operation?
 
Of the times I've been into BUR it's from the NE and have always landed on 08. From the arrival it's RV to the east and over VNY, it's either at or above a certain altitude or at a certain alt to intercept the ILS. I've always departed on 15 too. Then again it always in a jet too, what you fly may be different.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
Arriving from the east on Sunday morning, possible weather, assume landing east.
Anyone know if it's likely to be the PHRED.THRNE3 ?
How do they handle crossing any vfr VNY traffic, the 08 approach appears to go right over the runway end of VNY, and not terribly much higher than TPA.
Lots of info on noise abatement, the phone number offered for info on that in the AFD is not answered - I think I have it narrowed down to 'largely not applicable' to my situation (Ce-525) - confirmation would be nice.
Any other local tips welcome.
Edit: oh - the fires, as of now looks like they will be unlikely to affect my operation?
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I was going to say you'll get ether the LYNXX EIGHT or JANNY FIVE but I see there is a THRNE THREE there now that brings you in through the basin instead of the desert. You're as likely to get a Visual Approach to RWY 15 as 08 if the weather/winds allow. To see how the crossing over VNY thing is resolved, look at the Missed Approach Procedure for the ILS Approaches at VNY. Why the Y doesn't have the "A descent to at or below 1750 may be required when executing an early missed approach" that's on the Z, I dunno. It should. I think it may be charting error.
 
From memory, i believe you stay at 3000’ till you pass VNY. There WILL be vfr ceznas in the pattern below you. Be ready for traffic advisories. That will leave you a wee bit high on the GS. The loc / gs is wonky on the east runway, so hand fly it or your AP will jerk you around a bit. No tips if the pax spill their scotch. Not a difficult airport at all really. Just don’t land long and go on an excursion as some have done.
 
champ driver said:
Of the times I've been into BUR it's from the NE and have always landed on 08. From the arrival it's RV to the east and over VNY, it's either at or above a certain altitude or at a certain alt to intercept the ILS. I've always departed on 15 too. Then again it always in a jet too, what you fly may be different.
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Flying a 182 it's been the same for me after coming through Banning Pass. Vectors to ILS over Van Nuys into 08. Then depart 15 and left turn to intercept V186 heading southeast.
 
texasclouds said:
From memory, i believe you stay at 3000’ till you pass VNY. There WILL be vfr ceznas in the pattern below you. Be ready for traffic advisories. That will leave you a wee bit high on the GS. The loc / gs is wonky on the east runway, so hand fly it or your AP will jerk you around a bit. No tips if the pax spill their scotch. Not a difficult airport at all really. Just don’t land long and go on an excursion as some have done.
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The LOC only altitude is 3000. The Glideslope goes over at 2753
 
We used to go to VNY from Dallas. When the THRNE arrival came out we tried it. Center wanted us to descend very early, >300 miles out, that was around 2 years ago. For the rest of the trips, we used the JANNY or LYNXX, which ever one center wanted.

Read and fully understand the SIDS, especially the RNAV ones, PPRRY comes up quick. It is around 1 mile past the end of the runway plus there is a max altitude until you get past the end of the runway.
 
Plano Pilot said:
When the THRNE arrival came out we tried it. Center wanted us to descend very early, >300 miles out,
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yay, no altitudes to hit on the "Descend Via", much easier!
However, 300nm is crazy early but I've seen similar going into other socal destinations with our slow bird; too many fast movers going into SAN or LAX etc -- we 'in the way'
 
If you don't want to be pushed down low early over the desert, file the LYNXX EIGHT or JANNY FIVE. Once you get handed off to LA Center (sometimes the last ABQ Center controller too), they will try to reroute you via the THRNE THREE arrival. I will usually just tell LA Center, I'd like to stay on the arrival over Hector/Palmdale. They always accommodate. I have accepted the THRNE in the summer to avoid thunderstorms over Hector/Palmdale.

Runway 8 is the default IFR arrival runway, either via an instrument approach or the visual approach. You can ask for Runway 15, but I don't recommend it in a jet on your first trip into Burbank. Runway 8 from over Van Nuys is much more stable and less challenging for a variety of reasons.

Don't worry about the VNY pattern too much. The west pattern in 2000 MSL, the east pattern in 1800 MSL. If you're on the visual SoCal Approach will instruct you to cross VNY at or above 3000 feet, if you're on the glide slope it put you at about 2800 over VNY proper, which is plenty of spacing. VNY tower is very attentive to planes being higher than they should be.

Noise Abatement: Don't takeoff before 7am or after 10pm. Even that is voluntary. That's it other than what you'd normally do.

Fire TFR's: They are still there as I type this. If you're IFR, SoCal will vector you around or coordinate your transit through. There's no smoke being generated from any of the "Big 3" fires as of this (Sat) morning.
 
Plano Pilot said:
We used to go to VNY from Dallas. When the THRNE arrival came out we tried it. Center wanted us to descend very early, >300 miles out, that was around 2 years ago. For the rest of the trips, we used the JANNY or LYNXX, which ever one center wanted.

Read and fully understand the SIDS, especially the RNAV ones, PPRRY comes up quick. It is around 1 mile past the end of the runway plus there is a max altitude until you get past the end of the runway.
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Yeah. When I saw the new THRNE Arrival I was wondering about how they would mix that into the flow into LAX.
 
Got phred.thrne3, vectors to ils8
Winds 140 g21, was denied ctl15 due to “weather” and BA report “poor”
 

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Looks like you made it okay.
Braking action poor in CA would probably be listed as good on a winter day in Minnesota.
 
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