Hose Shop Recommendation (certified)
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Gary Ward
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I think they are one of the same? Is that a problem?
FWIW I made and tested my own hoses for my plane, 5 years ago. Now they need replaced again as time fly's by.
I made and tested pretty many hoses for some really fast dragsters over the years. NHRA requires them to be tested and tagged which I have done many many times. I replaced all hoses on my dragsters every 2 seasons. When I was running dry sump oiling systems there was a lot of important hose that if failed could kill you. I felt better making my own.
FWIW I made and tested my own hoses for my plane, 5 years ago. Now they need replaced again as time fly's by.
I made and tested pretty many hoses for some really fast dragsters over the years. NHRA requires them to be tested and tagged which I have done many many times. I replaced all hoses on my dragsters every 2 seasons. When I was running dry sump oiling systems there was a lot of important hose that if failed could kill you. I felt better making my own.
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I've used these a bunch over the years.
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I’ve used them (A.E.R.O. Hose Shop) for years. It’s the same company, sorta. Apparently Spruce purchased them long ago with some stipulations. I’m told they got to keep the A.E.R.O. name, ability to operate independently, and keep the same people to run the shop. You can purchase through Aero Performance (Spruce) but I recommend cutting the middle man. Just deal with A.E.R.O. directly at (866) 413-2780.
Gino has run the shop for longer than I can remember. He used to take my orders over the phone but now he has Ben do that part. Gino still builds the hoses himself. I just received a large order or 19 hoses from them last week.
Be careful there’s a few other companies with a similar “AERO” name. They’re probably fine but not the same. The A.E.R.O. I’m recommending is located in Granite City, IL
FYI, zero affiliation.
Here’s the link:
www.aerohoseshop.com
Gino has run the shop for longer than I can remember. He used to take my orders over the phone but now he has Ben do that part. Gino still builds the hoses himself. I just received a large order or 19 hoses from them last week.
Be careful there’s a few other companies with a similar “AERO” name. They’re probably fine but not the same. The A.E.R.O. I’m recommending is located in Granite City, IL
FYI, zero affiliation.
Here’s the link:
Aircraft Hoses, Fittings, and Duplication - A.E.R.O. Hose Shop
www.aerohoseshop.com
Gary Ward
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Sure do, teflon lined hose requires steel fittings with brass feral.
Rubber lined hose uses aluminum anodized fittings.
I only use the cutter design fittings. They grip the hose in 2 places.
40 year old hoses, they all had rigamortus bad.
The lines with steel fittings are teflon lined. Typically used for higher pressure application. Like said they don't bend as well.
My spark plug socket works perfect to install #8 hose ends.
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I think he might have been referring to the fittings in which the hose attaches, such as a union (steel, aluminum, stainless.)
The B nuts on Teflon hoses are stainless steel. Don’t know of any restrictions with that application.
The B nuts on Teflon hoses are stainless steel. Don’t know of any restrictions with that application.
Aircraft is a PA-12 with a O-320 upgrade.
It has a Tri- pacer type “ chin” oil cooler.
Hoses go up the front of the engine and back over the top.
Obviously that means the hoses are exposed to elevated temps
after shut down. Original system used steel tubing.
Hoses are still on aircraft pending a decision. Do I reuse existing hose
fittings and just replace hose? The alternative is getting Type D which i
prefer but there are concerns with some bends. The plan is to dermine
the total scope of any repairs and mods before addressing issues.
It has a Tri- pacer type “ chin” oil cooler.
Hoses go up the front of the engine and back over the top.
Obviously that means the hoses are exposed to elevated temps
after shut down. Original system used steel tubing.
Hoses are still on aircraft pending a decision. Do I reuse existing hose
fittings and just replace hose? The alternative is getting Type D which i
prefer but there are concerns with some bends. The plan is to dermine
the total scope of any repairs and mods before addressing issues.
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Sure do, teflon lined hose requires steel fittings with brass feral.
Rubber lined hose uses aluminum anodized fittings.
I only use the cutter design fittings. They grip the hose in 2 places.
40 year old hoses, they all had rigamortus bad.
The lines with steel fittings are teflon lined. Typically used for higher pressure application. Like said they don't bend as well.
My spark plug socket works perfect to install #8 hose ends.
Those years of running a dragster sure have benefited your airplane maintenance requirements. Do you use a cutoff wheel on the braided hoses? That's a nice clean cut.
Gary Ward
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Chop saw...
Truth is I have been making hoses for the LP gas business as well since 1984.
Dana
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Do replace them soon.
I recently replaced the (also age unknown) hoses in my new to me plane with new teflon hoses. The old hoses looked fine and weren't leaking or anything, but were hard.
The replacement for the shorter one came in made to the wrong length, so I decided to temporarily reuse the old one for some ground testing, but after it had been straightened out to measure it (it had been installed with a 90° bend). Fuel poured out all along its length, so after pulling it back off I removed the ends and sliced it open with a bandsaw to see what it looked like:
It was behind the firewall so not exposed to heat, but may have been as much as 30 years old.
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The bend radius is something I’m concerned with also. It’s pretty common to see Bonanza’s upgraded to all Teflon (PFTE) hoses firewall fwd, which is a job I’m working on now. Three of the engine hoses are referred to as “TCM” hoses. They are Teflon and come with new TCM 520 & 550’s. They are installed with more bend than I would expect. Definitely a high heat application.
I’m interested in max Teflon bend radius applications and metal compatibility with stainless B nuts, if anyone happens to have more info to offer.
I’m interested in max Teflon bend radius applications and metal compatibility with stainless B nuts, if anyone happens to have more info to offer.
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I have used https://www.aircraftspecialty.com/ several times and they are great. Tom overnighted me a new hose so I could do my check ride after I shorted it when I was replacing a battery and put a black spot on the stainless braiding.
I second their quality and customer service excellence. I have purchased tens of hoses from them over the last 15 years for both certified and experimental aircraft.
FYI, the late PA18s with the front mounted oil coolers routed the hoses underneath the engine and used flexible lines. That is the routing I would use, and use the type D Teflon hoses.
Ironically; the -12’s owner previously had a 94 SC with the routing Mond
describes. I’m not sure if it was better, but it was different. It was rather
cramped during a mag change. The swing mount didn’t help as much as hoped.
The -12 has considerably better access. The current hoses have no fire shield. They do look rather easy to change. Planning prior to removal is a good practice. Adding fireshield plus Type D may have an impact. It doesn’t
make sense to do a lot of work now to avoid a little way down the road.
Perhaps a small mod that negates bend radius concern will be found. Taking a pic next time there and posting for comments is a thought. Might not be
as much a concern as recalled.
If we do go with Type D it will be time to talk to Gino at A.E.R.O. again.
Previously I bought mag parts from their now shuttered PA location.
Integral fireshield would be first choice. OD might be a little smaller than add-on.
I’ve found using old SCAT ducting as Chafe Pads works well to protect these investments. Without the wire!
describes. I’m not sure if it was better, but it was different. It was rather
cramped during a mag change. The swing mount didn’t help as much as hoped.
The -12 has considerably better access. The current hoses have no fire shield. They do look rather easy to change. Planning prior to removal is a good practice. Adding fireshield plus Type D may have an impact. It doesn’t
make sense to do a lot of work now to avoid a little way down the road.
Perhaps a small mod that negates bend radius concern will be found. Taking a pic next time there and posting for comments is a thought. Might not be
as much a concern as recalled.
If we do go with Type D it will be time to talk to Gino at A.E.R.O. again.
Previously I bought mag parts from their now shuttered PA location.
Integral fireshield would be first choice. OD might be a little smaller than add-on.
I’ve found using old SCAT ducting as Chafe Pads works well to protect these investments. Without the wire!