2016 bonanza crash

Before my time (as a pilot). Weird story. Did he tell you his version of what failed?
 
Jim K said:
Before my time (as a pilot). Weird story. Did he tell you his version of what failed?
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There's a location where water drips on aileron control cables causing them to rust and eventually fail. He said this had been the cause of 14 fatal crashes prior to his. He showed me x-ray pictures of all the metal in his legs. Unbelievable. He spent 4 months in the hospital and it took him years before he could walk again (which he was initially told he'd never do again).
 
Mahneuvers said:
There's a location where water drips on aileron control cables causing them to rust and eventually fail. He said this had been the cause of 14 fatal crashes prior to his…...
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Surely an AD must have come from that?
 
eman1200 said:
Surely an AD must have come from that?
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I asked that. He didn't know. He got out of flying after the accident. He spoke of suing and being frustrated by the General Aviation Revitalization Act. He made a reference about having standing as the first person to survive such an accident. I didn't follow up as it seems the family/estate can just as easily sue.
 
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Mahneuvers said:
I asked that. He didn't know. He got out of flying after the accident. He spoke of suing and being frustrated by the General Aviation Revitalization Act. He made a reference about having standing as the first person to survive such an accident. I didn't follow up as it seems the family/estate can just as easily sue.
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The plane was built in 1969. If the tie rod on your 1969 mustang broke and put you into a guard rail, are you going to sue Ford?

If it was a known issue, why wasnt there an AD or SB addressing this? Or why wasn't it noted by the NTSB? I'm skeptical
 
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About 3 years ago, I took my last flight in N7607B, my uncles 1947 bonanza. He sold it to a school for examination and construction technique learning. It flew for 75 years without control issues.
 
Mahneuvers said:
I asked that. He didn't know. He got out of flying after the accident. He spoke of suing and being frustrated by the General Aviation Revitalization Act. He made a reference about having standing as the first person to survive such an accident. I didn't follow up as it seems the family/estate can just as easily sue.
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Racerx said:
The plane was built in 1969. If the tie rod on your 1969 mustang broke and put you into a guard rail, are you going to sue Ford?
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No, but my life insurance carrier sure would.
 
Possibly he’s thinking of this.. AD 2019-21-08.
ABS has documented some nasty examples of deteriorated cables in one of their monthly magazine articles. Some cables were found barely held together by only the safety wire that wraps around the detached turnbuckle.
 
Jdm said:
ABS has documented some nasty examples of deteriorated cables in one of their monthly magazine articles. Some cables were found barely held together by only the safety wire that wraps around the detached turnbuckle.
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From the Materials report in the docket of the subject accident: "The cable segments had separated in two locations, mid‐length through the wires and at an attaching clasp. The fracture surfaces were examined using a 5x to 50x stereo‐zoom microscope. The features on all of the fracture surfaces were consistent with overstress." [emphasis added] They attributed the overstress to crash dynamics, not something that happened in flight.

They did not report any sign of prior degradation. It's not exactly a thorough report but the highlights don't support the speculation.
Probable cause: "A loss of aircraft control for reasons that could not be determined because postaccident examination did not reveal any evidence of preimpact mechanical malfunctions or failures of the flight controls that would have precluded normal operation."

Final report (NTSB).

Nauga,
and his weekly reader
 
nauga said:
From the Materials report in the docket of the subject accident: "The cable segments had separated in two locations, mid‐length through the wires and at an attaching clasp. The fracture surfaces were examined using a 5x to 50x stereo‐zoom microscope. The features on all of the fracture surfaces were consistent with overstress." [emphasis added] They attributed the overstress to crash dynamics, not something that happened in flight.

They did not report any sign of prior degradation. It's not exactly a thorough report but the highlights don't support the speculation.
Probable cause: "A loss of aircraft control for reasons that could not be determined because postaccident examination did not reveal any evidence of preimpact mechanical malfunctions or failures of the flight controls that would have precluded normal operation."

Final report (NTSB).

Nauga,
and his weekly reader
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I'm thinking perhaps @Mahneuvers cruise buddy developed his own version of facts over the years to explain away that unexplained loss of control.
 
nauga said:
From the Materials report in the docket of the subject accident: "The cable segments had separated in two locations, mid‐length through the wires and at an attaching clasp. The fracture surfaces were examined using a 5x to 50x stereo‐zoom microscope. The features on all of the fracture surfaces were consistent with overstress." [emphasis added] They attributed the overstress to crash dynamics, not something that happened in flight.

They did not report any sign of prior degradation. It's not exactly a thorough report but the highlights don't support the speculation.
Probable cause: "A loss of aircraft control for reasons that could not be determined because postaccident examination did not reveal any evidence of preimpact mechanical malfunctions or failures of the flight controls that would have precluded normal operation."

Final report (NTSB).

Nauga,
and his weekly reader
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I wasn’t suggesting cable failure or the AD as a factor in this one. Sounds like the survivor might think otherwise though. His description (#3) seems to mirror some of the nasty findings associated with AD 2019-21-08 and the ABS documentation even though it’s not supported by the accident report. Sounds like he googled up unrelated findings.
 
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