Annual covers it. Some IA's write 100hr inspection in the engine log, Annual in the airframe log
No, but a lot of flight school IAs endorse the plane has completed an 100 hour and annual inspection.
And then there is that - to add confusion to the process.
Agreed
Not really. The annual sign-off only applies to the aircraft. Thats the only entry that matters. For those owners who use separate engine and prop mx records the proper sign off for a purist is signing off 100 hour inspection. However, existing guidance leaves it up to the IA.
Have you ever owned a plane?
FSDO grounded my plane during my CFI checkride because the propeller wasn't annualed. This was before the LOI that expressly stated it didn't need a separate endorsement. They were total jerks about it to--"you want to be a CFI, you should have known this." The best part is they changed their mind two hours later.
Never seen a fed screw that up. Unfortunately there still are a few IAs out there who think otherwise. Only the "aircraft" gets an annual which includes the prop and engine and is stated plainly in the rules. Thats about as basic as it gets and goes back to the CAA days.
More importantly, did you earn your CFI cert 5 hours after the incident?
Yes really. I had an DPE insist a 100 hour engine entry and an airframe annual entry was improper on my CFI ride. I had to argue this to the point of making him call the FSDO to settle it.
Lack of knowledge on the DPE is one thing especially since the FSDO enlightened him. You obviously werent confused. No different than some people believe all STCs are a major alteration and require a 337. Or do you consider that "confusion" as well?
When I was just an AP without the IA ticket, I maintained trainers for a flight school. For annuals a local IA would come to my maintenance hangar and inspect/discuss my work. His preference was to sign ANNUAL under my log entry in the aircraft logbook, and just leave my entry in the engine logbook as 100hr inspection. FAA(FSDO) inspectors were fine with that. I believe IA's and FSDO personnel have varying ways they interpret the rules
Interesting. But that is nowhere near my experience with pilot/owners. You must hang around some unique pilots. But to clarify, are you saying "most" pilots are ignorant or that they are not taught properly?
Yes. Some had a certificate suspension involved with an improper mx record entry. Part 43.9 and 43.11 give guidance on mx entries similar to the one in your ops limits. But the "100/annual" references in an E/AB record are not correct and should have been corrected.
yes, but only for 25 years.
Odd that, after 25 years as an airplane owner, and an experienced CFI that runs an online groundschool program, you didn't know that an annual counts as 100 hour inspection.
Odd that you decided to get snarky without carefully reading my original post. I made it clear that I "know that an annual counts as 100 hour inspection". But, we see all types in these public forums.
I read the post very carefully.
I wasn't quoting myself. I was quoting YOU. But tell you what - I don't know who you are, you're anonymous, and I see no reason for us to continue this exchange. Pick fights with someone else.
Jesus, you just won't let it go. The phrase in quotes is from YOU. Look, if you want to be ugly about it, give me your name and email address and we can take this offline. People don't want to see this type of bickering in here.
You're right, and I didn't mean to start an argument about who is quoting who.
if two people are involved in the process that's the correct procedure. 43.9 states each person, so if a A&P does the maintenance work that normally gets done during an annual, IE new brakes, hose replacement, clean wheel bearings ect, then they must make an entry for that work. the IA is only signing for the inspection that they performed and any work that they performed. I do the inspections on my business partners airplanes, he is an A&P but not an IA. he does all the repairs needed, the cleaning and such. I come by and do the inspection parts. he signs off a 100hr, because he follows the 100hr inspection section of the MM, and any additional work that he has performed. I then sign off the annual inspection.
Not really. There are several variations of this 100hr/annual route. For example, for some of my owner-assist customers we would get everything opened up, cleaned, etc., and give things a once over for any issues. When convenient the IA would drop by and perform the annual. When the IA finished, we would then close up and complete any other scheduled tasks. I’d then simply make a 100 hour inspection write up to cover the work and sign it which is a lot easier than itemizing the previous work performed. Any other work that was complied with outside of the 100hr reference used would get its own mx entry.
Yes. Why wouldn't they be inspected or serviced?
FTFY. How else would you do it?
Yes.
