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I think the data so far at least supports that position.Is it fair to surmise that somebody looked at the safety data and determined that BasicMed pilots aren't a significantly greater risk than Class 3 are?
Trouble is, I find it doubtful that very many GPs have even a basic level of understanding of the requirements to pilot a plane.
Or...radical idea...the pilots themselves. At some point, you're going to know that you're not capable anymore. Maybe an instructor will talk to you, maybe you'll be critical of your flights and decide it's time. But at some point you will know that it's time to stop.I guess that will come down to the doctors who sign off on their exam.
Ultimately, it’s all up to the pilot. I think the lack of data of increased risk overall is simply that, as a group, we are pretty good at self-assessment and have a strong interest in self-preservation.Good question. I guess that will come down to the doctors who sign off on their exam. Trouble is, I find it doubtful that very many GPs have even a basic level of understanding of the requirements to pilot a plane. I certainly saw that years ago when going to get a racing physical, where they would ask me to describe the physical requirements.
Sometimes it’s not the requirement but the interpretation of the requirement. That’s especially true in the FAA SI world and “prove to us you don’t” mentality.What requirements are there that wouldn’t be obvious to the average family physician?
I wonder how that may change as pilots on Basic Med get further and further away from their initial certification as they age and become more likely to have more medical conditions that would disqualify them from certification using the AME standards.
Multi-tasking. Hearing. Altitude tolerance. Medications. Vertigo.
...except give the FAA an excuse to ground you.Of those, only hearing is tested in a class 3 exam. Medications are reviewed and some are a barrier, but that's without regard to the dosage or how well the patient tolerates the med. Overall I don't think the class 3 accomplishes much that Basic Med doesn't.
99% of applicants may get a medical, but that doesn't include those who use basicmed because they know they won't pass a class 3.Since over 99% of applicants eventually get a medical anyway, I don't think it will change much.
99% of applicants may get a medical, but that doesn't include those who use basicmed because they know they won't pass a class 3.
You can get the CMEC signed every year if you want; the 4 years isn’t a comply on date, it’s an expiration date.…. my personal annual physical always gets moved out a month or so when I schedule after each visit. So, impossible to comply with BM 48 month Dr sign off.
That’s basically the rotation I’m setting up.You can get the CMEC signed every year if you want; the 4 years isn’t a comply on date, it’s an expiration date.
I do the course every other year and alternate it with the CMEC update. It’s not like my doc is charging me extra to sign the form anyways.
I’ve been doing much the same. Only difference is, I don’t alternate with the course. I do them the same month. Only one date to track in my dotage.You can get the CMEC signed every year if you want; the 4 years isn’t a comply on date, it’s an expiration date.
I do the course every other year and alternate it with the CMEC update. It’s not like my doc is charging me extra to sign the form anyways.
For first BM with a current class 3 do I need to do the online course in addition to the Dr's exam?
1) “Multi-tasking” is a myth. Even if you disagree, how is that examined?Multi-tasking. Hearing. Altitude tolerance. Medications. Vertigo.
That is very interesting.Something else interesting in the law is that it bans the FAA from starting an investigation based solely on surveillance data using ADS-B.
It’s doing both that satisfies BasicMed requirements,For first BM with a current class 3 do I need to do the online course in addition to the Dr's exam?
no increase in dangerous pilots flying airplanes?What's downright hilarious is that imagine if Congress could do this one thing:
Remove the requirement to have at least one Class 3 to be eligible for Basic Med
No increase in dangerous pilots flying airplanes
No need for millions to be spent on developing MOSAIC
Heck, no need for LSA and Sport Pilots. Planes can be non LSA restricted and Pilots can do the few extra hours to get the PPL. And can move up to IR, which I would guess would make things safer for some.
Look at the geezers operating under Sport Pilot rules... Doesn't seem to have resulted in flaming death raining from the sky.I wonder how that may change as pilots on Basic Med get further and further away from their initial certification as they age and become more likely to have more medical conditions that would disqualify them from certification using the AME standards. AFter all, there IS a lot of leeway in operating under Basic Med.
Well…..no increase in dangerous pilots flying airplanes?
so you don't read the medical section of this board? how many questions a week are there about getting a medical with know mental issues, drug use issues, and alcohol issues? you don't see some of these people as becoming dangerous pilots if allowed to self certify? which is what basic med really is, its real easy to find a doctor that you have never seen before, lie on their forms, and get a physical and get the basic med form signed. we need reform, not abandonment of a medical baseline.
Steely eyes, cleft chin, and whip-like reflexes....What requirements are there that wouldn’t be obvious to the average family physician?
Odd how the percentage has been going down after peaking in 2020.
how many questions a week are there about getting a medical with know mental issues, drug use issues, and alcohol issues? you don't see some of these people as becoming dangerous pilots if allowed to self certify?
Is that sort of data available? I know next to nothing about the program, is the FAA notified when a pilot switches to BasicMed? I'm flying on Sport Pilot, for instance, and all the FAA has is my expired 3rd class from nearly 20 years ago.Can you also plot the number of pilots on Basic Med? An increase in accidents in the early years should parallel the increase in participants.
Is that sort of data available? I know next to nothing about the program, is the FAA notified when a pilot switches to BasicMed?
"The mortality data are generally unfavorable to BasicMed, likely because the BasicMed population is significantly older and more likely to have required an SI. However, the mortality risk remains elevated even when controlling for both age and SI.
But it cost millions! It must be valuable!Overall I don’t think that study tells us very much.
Was the FAA initiating investigations based solely on ADSB data before this bill?That bill for the FAA reauthorization was signed by the president yesterday, so it is indeed law now. However, the law says that the basicmed expansion goes into effect 180 days after it became law - I suppose that means waiting until November to fly a Caravan under BasicMed.
Something else interesting in the law is that it bans the FAA from starting an investigation based solely on surveillance data using ADS-B.
The class 3 requirement prior to basic med definitely muddies the data analysis for comparative performance of class 3 and basic med. There are likely ways to control for that (although we may not have enough data for statistical significance after those controls are done) but most basic comparisons I’ve seen have not attempted to do that.There's a flaw in this logic. Every pilot who has BasicMed qualified for a Class 3 at some point. The idea that BasicMed's success proves we don't need Class 3 is not supportable on this basis.
Except thatThere's a flaw in this logic. Every pilot who has BasicMed qualified for a Class 3 at some point. The idea that BasicMed's success proves we don't need Class 3 is not supportable on this basis.
FIFYWas the FAA initiating investigations based solely on POA posts before this bill?
On this one point, that’s not exactly true. While it is true that for a pilot who last got a class 3 in 2006, obtaining that medical likely has almost no bearing on their current medical condition, any new pilot still has to get a class 3 before using basic med.the time frame of one having to get a 3rd class goes back so far that it’s not relevant.