Not heart breaking, heart touching!
I've never flown Young Eagles, mostly because I have a single-seat plane! I did borrow a Maule a few weeks ago to take up a bunch of Boy Scouts. I'm not a fan of BSA, which I'm sure will ruffle some feathers here, but after 7.8K volunteers have been banned “because of reasonable allegations of child sexual abuse" with over 12K victims, they are finally doing something about it and you can't take boys up without at least two adults in the plane. This wasn't a big deal for me, but because one of the leaders was so big, I had to put him in the front for two flights and less kids got to fly the plane.
Mine was the only complex aircraft, and there was but one route (only 6 airplanes). I couldn't have followed their route with the Mooney unless I climbed to altitude and immediately slowed down to land, that's how tight it was. Chapter President was worried I was making things too hard for the tower. I don't give a rat's assay about those guys, they sit in a booth. I gotta fly the airplane. Happens again I'll remind him who's PIC of my aircraft.
Whose rule is that? I've flown several Boy Scouts on YE flights... although over half of them were girls. Just two of us, it's a 2-seater.
It is a Boy Scout rule, called "Two-Deep".
If they’re working on their aviation merit badge, I think BSA would frown on their policies not being followed. If they just happen to be Boy Scouts and taking a Young Eagles ride, it probably wouldn’t matter.
I understand, but I'm saying I think this Troop violated the BSA policy. I'm not sure what the repercussions are. I have a friend whose kid is a Scout and he is a leader. I will ask him. I'm in no way wanting to stir anything up, but you might want to mention it to them so they protect themselves.
I will say I’ve never flown a kid who didn’t enjoy it.
Maybe you (at least in that plane) are not right for this mission.
Right, but their policy of having two adults is for protection from molestation and they will say it also provides a level of safety on hikes if the adult is hurt.
Your chapter TPTB need to understand the difference between a "fast mover" and a "slow mover" as we categorize our airplanes (RVs and BOs on one side vs Flying Buicks like my cherokee). Two different routes but merge at what might be called the YE-IAF which is about 5 miles from the runway. Rule there is 90 kts for everyone unless tower says otherwise.
Make friends with the tower crew.
I think they would be concerned because their rule to protect them from being sued out of existence says there should be two adults with a minor at all times. They shouldn’t trust you or your pilots alone with a child (or anyone). If something did happen to a child who was alone, ignoring their own written rules, it might be the final nail in their coffin.We have flown many scouts over the years. So the BSA would be concerned that because they have perverts in their leader ranks that one of my pilots is going to molest one of their Scouts while flying an airplane.
My understanding is, it's two leaders with a scout, but that can be waived under certain circumstances. If in this case, the pilot and one leader is sufficient where two leaders can't be present. In my friend's case, his son is a scout. As long as his son is present, they can waive the two adult requirement. It's really about an added layer of protection.
Giving them a head's up when I taxi out isn't a bad idea at all. Biggest problem with slowing down is the engine gets less air flow, so it gets hotter and burns more oil. Found that out at Oshkosh last year. I'd much rather just cruise along at my normal speeds. Thankfully most of the events are at non towered airports, so I can do what I like.
The rule is no one on one. So if there's three people in the plane, the rule is being followed. There do not necessarily have to be two registered adults in the plane. Two-deep leadership means there have to be two registered adults at the activity.
This is misinformation. The BSA's history with child abuse is no worse than any other org that serves youth, and better than most. That's precisely because the BSA has always been "doing something about it." Long before they're were sex-offender registries and back when child sexual-abuse didn't get prosecuted because no one would talk about it, BSA maintained its own exclusion files on those so accused so that they couldn't just go to a new region and sign up there. No other orgs did that because there were no laws that required it. So that 4H coach who got run out of Denver could go happily set up shop in Dallas. It's those files that are now being used to sue BSA. Precisely because it didn't cover up such things or try to bury it, the BSA is now vulnerable in a way the orgs that did bury it aren't.
CAP,has the same policy...min 2 seniors at all events, 2 seniors should a cadet need to do something singular. Except.....when Orientation rides. Then it’s one pilot and 1 or 2 cadets.
I'm not a Scout leader, so it's not something I have to be concerned with. If I was one, I would think sending a kid up in a two-seat airplane with a pilot violates this rule, which I'm copying exactly:
It is not misinformation, it is simply facts that were gathered for the BSA from their records. Like it or not, 12K boys were molested & that only includes the ones that were reported. This is not acceptable and that is why the leaders are not allowed to be one-on-one with the boys.
In fact I do have the information to prove it, as I explained. But you went further and said BSA wasn't doing anything about it. That's unequivocally false.
As I said, if there are three people in the plane, the rule is being followed. In addition to having to know the rules, I have to regularly attend youth protection training. And I'm a mandatory reporter.
You're misquoting me. My exact words were, "they are finally doing something about it." In my opinion, they waited way too long to implement a rule where one adult couldn't be alone with one child.
I'm following you out...
YPT training and no one-on-one have been in place since the late '80s, at least, so if by "finally," you meant nearly four decades ago, you are correct. BSA has required character references for leaders since inception and has been maintaining a nationwide list of ineligible volunteers since the '20s. Not because it was trying to enable or protect abusers, but because it was trying to protect kids on it's own LONG BEFORE any other organization. If there's an organization that's done more and better, name it. I'm certain that BSA leadership would be interested in learning how to improve even more.
Curious exactly what you mean by flying to one airport and then to the next. etc. EAA rules do not allow a Young Eagle flight to land at an airport other than the one it took off from, unless the airport suddenly becomes closed.