WWW II bomber pulled up from Lake Michigan offshore from Waukegan, IL

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http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/04/world-war-ii-dive-bomber-recovered-from-lake.html

"....definitive identification numbers can't be found on the plane."

Looks like there are numbers on it to me. Those must be squad numbers.
 

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Wait for a fight with the Navy. I don't think they have a good relationship with folks who salvage their aircraft. I seem to recall a fight with the Navy about the recovery of another Navy aircraft off of Lake Michigan a decade or so - these planes probably flew out of Glenview NAS.
 
Wait for a fight with the Navy. I don't think they have a good relationship with folks who salvage their aircraft. I seem to recall a fight with the Navy about the recovery of another Navy aircraft off of Lake Michigan a decade or so - these planes probably flew out of Glenview NAS.

Nope. They did training off Navy Pier on lake carriers they built a flight deck on top of. George HW Bush was one of the trainees.

And Butch O'Hare:
http://www.airclassicsmuseum.org/Schools/Butch O'Hare Story.htm


During the war, the “real” carriers were needed for combat, mostly in the Pacific. So for training purposes, the Navy cobbled together the two lake carriers.

The excursion ships, renamed Wolverine and Sable, were fitted with 550-foot flight decks just 27 feet above the water. The real carriers had decks that were almost 900 feet long and 80 feet off the water.
http://www.midwaysaircraft.org/training_on_the_lake2.htm

Here ya go. Pictures:
http://books.google.com/books?id=76...X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#PPA13,M1

They're saying it is a Dauntless.
http://www.wbbm780.com/Navy-to-recover-WWII-plane-from-Lake-Michigan/4243541
 
Wait for a fight with the Navy. I don't think they have a good relationship with folks who salvage their aircraft.
Not in this case. It's the Navy directing the salvage. From one of Mike's links:
The U.S. Navy will complete the recovery portion of the effort this week using a crew from A&T Recovery, according to the release.
Edit: Oops, I may have written to soon. From another of his links:
Officials with the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, Fla., want to retrieve the planes and put them on display.
But archaeologists with the Naval Historical Center in Washington, which claims ownership of all Navy aircraft and ship wrecks, believe the treasures may be better left alone.

[...]
“The Navy Historical Center and its underwater archaeology people are the obstacle to the salvage of Navy aircraft, not only from Lake Michigan, but everywhere else in the world,” said Ed Ellis, the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation’s secretary and a retired Navy captain and lawyer. But Robert S. Neyland, head of the underwater archaeology branch of the Navy Historical Center, defends leaving the wrecks undisturbed.
It appears that the National History and Heritage Command of the US Military oversees the navy Historical Center. It's a third group, the National World War II Museum in New Orleans, that's sponsoring this recovery, although it's a continuation of the efforts by the National Naval Aviation Museum.
The recovery of the aircraft is the continuation of a program started by the National Naval Aviation Museum in the 1990s to recover and preserve Navy craft lost in Lake Michigan during World War II, the release said.

The National World War II Museum in New Orleans has sponsored the location, recovery, restoration, and eventual display of the Douglas SBD Dauntless.
Confused yet?
 
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Nope. They did training off Navy Pier on lake carriers they built a flight deck on top of. George HW Bush was one of the trainees.They're saying it is a Dauntless.
http://www.wbbm780.com/Navy-to-recover-WWII-plane-from-Lake-Michigan/4243541

This is where I got my info - and I lived 1 mile W or rwy 9/27 during some of my high school years:

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/IL/Airfields_IL_Chicago_N.htm#glenview


Aircraft that were used at Glenview from 1941-46 included the
N3 Yellow Peril, GB-1, Stearman N2S, Howard H-1, Piper NE-1, SO3C-1 Seagull,
SB-2A Buccaneer, SNJ Texan, F4F Wildcat, SB2C Helldiver, Curtiss SNC-1, and SBD Dauntless.


Glenview_IL_42.jpg

A 1942 aerial view looking east at Glenview showed the field in its original configuration (courtesy of Rex Ricks),
shortly before it was significantly expanded during WW2.​


In 1942 plans for a radical expansion of the base were disclosed.
Hangar One was expanded, new buildings were constructed & runways were lengthened,
with the longest reaching 6,600'.
The total area of the airfield more than tripled.


On March 24, 1942, LtCdr G.A.T. Washburn assumed command of Glenview,
with orders to direct the expansion of the base.
In one of the largest & fastest paving jobs ever undertaken in the Midwest,
1,300,000 square yards of concrete landing mats & runways were poured
in only 121 working days following the awarding of the construction contracts.
Modern barracks, recreation hall & dining facilities,
a gymnasium with a training pool, a firehouse & hospital were all built.
Paved streets, streetlights, sidewalks & the shops, theater,
and chapel in the recreation building all completed the picture of Glenview as a self contained community.


On August 1, 1942, the Carrier Qualification Training Unit (CQTU) officially began operations.
Brainchild of Commander Richard F. Whitehead of the Ninth Naval district,
the CQTU fulfilled the need for carrier operations training in the safety of the Great Lakes,
beyond the reach of German & Japanese submarines operating in coastal waters.
Under Commander Whitehead's direction,
two coal-burning Great Lakes paddlewheeled excursion ships, the Seeandbee & the Greater Buffalo,
were converted into flattops.
Refitted with a wooden flight deck on a steel structure,
they were renamed the USS Wolverine (IX-64) and the USS Sable (IX-81).
They were to be the only inland aircraft carriers ever commissioned by the U.S. Navy
and became part of a fleet familiarly known as the "Corn Belt Fleet".
The 2 carriers, based at Chicago, trained pilots & flight deck personnel 7 days / week,
year round, throughout the war.
Together they logged over 135,000 landings & qualified over 15,000 Navy & Marine Corps pilots,
among them a young aviator named George Bush who would later become President.

Glenview_IL_tower_40s.jpg

An undated (1940s?) photo of biplanes passing over Glenview's control tower (courtesy of Mike Luxem).​

The Naval Air Primary Training Command was established by the Secretary of the Navy on October 1, 1942,
and Glenview was placed under its command.
Approximately 9,000 men received their primary flight training at Glenview during the war years,
flying 786,928 daylight hours & 27,425 night flight hours.


The October 1944 Chicago Sectional Chart (courtesy of Richard Doehring)
labeled the airfield as “Glenview (Navy”).


Glenview_IL_aux_map45.jpg

A 1945 map of Glenview NAS & its 15 satellite airfields,
courtesy of Dick Ferron (a Naval Aviation Cadet at Glenview in 1945).​

A total of 15 outlying airfields were used by Glenview,
from Volo & Grays Lake down to Schaumburg (some with names like Melody Farm, Murphy's Circus & Prall's Pit).
The cadets logged over 2,225,000 takeoffs & landings.

Manning the outlying fields could be a lonely job at times, particularly in bad weather.
The January 8, 1943 issue of the Exhaust (NRAB Glenview's original newspaper)
printed a report from Site 8, Schaumburg Field in Roselle, that included:
"The wind sure does howl & blowout this way and loneliness sometimes gets you,
but we overcome this by holding discussions, on current events, with the field mice."

Glenview_IL_WW2.jpg

A WW2-era view of Glenview (National Archives photo)
shows the massively-expanded airfield configuration, with one of the 2 huge paved landing circles visible
in addition to the multiple paved runways, ramps, and Hangar 1.​


The 1944 US Army/Navy Directory of Airfields (courtesy of Ken Mercer)
described Glenview as having a 6,300' hard-surface runway.

A [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1946 USAAF KS-NY Pilot's Handbook [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif](courtesy of Chris Kennedy)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]depicted Glenview as having 5 paved runways,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]with the longest being the 6,300' Runway 17/35.[/FONT]​

Following WW2, Glenview became a Reserve facility, hosting a large number
of disparate units of the Navy, Marine Corps, Army & Coast Guard.

Both Neil Armstrong & Gerald Ford served at the base in Navy reserve units after WW2.

Aircraft that were used at Glenview from 1946-50 included the
PBY Catalina, F6F Hellcat, PV2 Harpoon, F4U Corsair, TBM Avenger, F8F Bearcat,
AM-1 Mauler, FH-1 Phantom, F9F-8 Cougar, JRB-4 Expeditor, and SNB Kansan.
 
This is where I got my info - and I lived 1 mile W or rwy 9/27 during some of my high school years:
...

Aircraft that were used at Glenview from 1946-50 included the
PBY Catalina, F6F Hellcat, PV2 Harpoon, F4U Corsair, TBM Avenger, F8F Bearcat,
AM-1 Mauler, FH-1 Phantom, F9F-8 Cougar, JRB-4 Expeditor, and SNB Kansan.

I shouldn't have said, "Nope." What I meant is these planes were lost doing the carrier training in the lake. We can guess they based them at Glenview NAS.

The village annexed the land and let it be developed into a new huge subdivision of "luxury" homes - many of which sold to people with tricksey mortgages that have since been foreclosed.

The tower and original oldest hangar are still standing in the shopping center.
 
edit - Interesting how the gear is down, I wouldn't think you want gear down for ditching...


Trapper John

Ditching might have happened on takeoff from a practice carrier. It is my understanding that there are a bunch of corsairs out there that are at the bottom of the Lake due to the hugh amount of torque associated with the radial engines in them. Green pilots would let it get away from them on takeoff.
 
I shouldn't have said, "Nope." What I meant is these planes were lost doing the carrier training in the lake. We can guess they based them at Glenview NAS.

The village annexed the land and let it be developed into a new huge subdivision of "luxury" homes - many of which sold to people with tricksey mortgages that have since been foreclosed.

The tower and original oldest hangar are still standing in the shopping center.

Sad, isn't it? I see that as I take the train down to Chicago every couple of weeks. It could have been a great GA airport, and dwarfed Palwaukee.
 
I was out in Palm Springs,CA. last month and went through their air museum. there was a gentleman there that was a guide, he said that one of their planes came from Lake Michigan. I think I took a picture of it, I'll see if I can find it. I can't remember what he said the name of the plane was. But, he did mention that they used converted ships of some kind to make aircraft carriers. Bob
 

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Nelson Ezell (BKD) rebuilt the wings for one of those projects.
 
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