When will people quit being sheeple?

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Please don't make this political because both sides are to blame. Coronavirus prevention is not an end to a game. It is an excuse.

Okay let me relapse to Saturday"s communication with our local county supervisor.

Off the record. She is in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Maybe not but let's just go with that. She is a county supervisor and she believes everything I say with more fervor than even I do.

She thinks this whole thing is an attempt to destroy capitalism. And we are in California. The problem is, as. Much as I want to disagree with her, she might be right.
 
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Read to the end. Not posting it due to political reasons even though the initial content Karen posts is...



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Please Ted, Greg, Mari, let this roll for a bit. This stuff is important.
 
Can we please agree to be constructive?
 
There is more to this than we know, it all fell apart too quickly, and people are not working and are worried about homes food, the media is the devil in this, I quit watching TV, even our love of aviation is at risk, some will be selling the airplane to survive, as the kind writer above stated you need common sense, a sense of direction, faith and a will to fight, locked and loaded too
 
Sac Arrow said:
She thinks this whole thing is an attempt to destroy capitalism.
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While I in no way believe that COVID-19 is a ploy by anyone nor designed an assault on Capitalism, I have no doubt that the power players that truly pull the stings are being opportunistic and taking advantage of the situation in order to keep the peasants in check. We were beginning get a bit too big for our britches and starting to threaten their model with revolts on the successful brewing in society and gaining the leverage to impact that.

...and that has nothing to do with Politics.
 
Here we go....

I don't claim to know what is going on but I sure wish people would treat each other better and quit acting stupid. I have had a rough 48 years and I look forward to my end. I live out each day as best I can, I am just tired of dealing with this crumbling of humanity, not just in this country, but all over the world.

I feel sorry for the coming generations that have to deal the worst of humanity. I have seen and felt how badly people can treat each other without even laying a finger on one another.

People ask me why I got out of the Navy before retirement. It is because of the shameful way that the Captain of USS Theodore Roosevelt, my first ever command way back in 1991, was treated this past week. The Navy has not changed.

I am going to not say any more as I am getting a little angry.
 
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flhrci said:
Here we go....

I don't claim to know what is going on but I sure wish people would treat each other better and quit acting stupid. I have had a rough 48 years and I look forward to my end. I live out each day as best I can, I am just tired of dealing with this crumbling of humanity, not just in this country, but all over the world.

I feel sorry for the coming generations that have to deal the worst of humanity. I have seen and felt how badly people can treat each other without even laying a finger on one another.

People ask me why I got out of the Navy before retirement. It is because of the shameful way that the Captain of USS Theodore Roosevelt, my first ever command way back in 1991, was treated this past week. The Navy has not changed.

I am going to not say any more as I am getting a little angry.
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I understand the feeling, David.
 
overdrive148 said:
Read to the end. Not posting it due to political reasons even though the initial content Karen posts is...



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Wow, that people can be this brainwashed, or just mentally ill. Talk about tin foil hats and contrails.
 
One must believe one of the two following suppositions as fact....either...

1. Politicians enter public service altruistically, in order to serve and improve the lives of their fellow man...,

Or....

2. Politicians enter the political arena due to a sense of superiority or their desire to benefit from their fellow man.

Given your knowledge and experiences with human nature, which is most likely? And, assuming your experiences mirror mine to at least a significant degree, how is it difficult to believe that many, if not all, of those "in power" would use this catastrophe opportunistically to further cement their ability to control those "beneath" them?
 
MuseChaser said:
One must believe one of the two following suppositions as fact....either...

1. Politicians enter public service altruistically, in order to serve and improve the lives of their fellow man...,

Or....

2. Politicians enter the political arena due to a sense of superiority or their desire to benefit from their fellow man.

Given your knowledge and experiences with human nature, which is most likely? And, assuming your experiences mirror mine to at least a significant degree, how is it difficult to believe that many, if not all, of those "in power" would use this catastrophe opportunistically to further cement their ability to control those "beneath" them?
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I don't believe it is an either/or choice. #1 is true for some pols, and #2 is true for some.
But unfortunately, the longer they are in power, the more they leant to #2. That is why I am all for term limits.
 
There are these things called viruses. They're not really alive, they're more of an environmental toxin that causes an organism's cells to produce more of them. Some of them infect bacteria, some of them infect birds, some of them infect mammals, and so on. Every once in a while a virus that infects one organism develops the ability to infect an different organism The virus most likely jumped from bats to humans in the Wuhan area of China. A few years ago we had an outbreak of H1N1 influenza that seems to have derived from both pig and avian sources in the southwestern U. S and Mexico. This sort of thing will continue to happen going forward, viruses will jump from one organism to another.

Covid-19 is particularly difficult because it is new to humans, has a long incubation time, and does not kill a large proportion of its victims, meaning it can spread rapidly, is difficult to quarantine against, tends to take a while to kill its victims, and can kill a significant number, but a small percentage, of the human population. There are viruses that are significantly more deadly, but because they kill quickly, they do not spread to as large of a population.

Viruses don't give a TRA about who then infect. The late Mrs. Sehlke seemed to think that people on the other side of the political aisle turned this loose to "destroy capitalism". Of course it makes perfect sense that it first took hold in a socialist country and killed its first victims there. Anyone who can square those two thought in their mind are in critical need of a course in critical thinking.


@Sac Arrow , this sounds like a good plot for a book, but that's where it ends.
 
MuseChaser said:
One must believe one of the two following suppositions as fact....either...

1. Politicians enter public service altruistically, in order to serve and improve the lives of their fellow man...,

Or....

2. Politicians enter the political arena due to a sense of superiority or their desire to benefit from their fellow man.

Given your knowledge and experiences with human nature, which is most likely? And, assuming your experiences mirror mine to at least a significant degree, how is it difficult to believe that many, if not all, of those "in power" would use this catastrophe opportunistically to further cement their ability to control those "beneath" them?
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I believe that both 1 & 2 are true. The #1s are indeed altruistic while the #2s end up in true power positions. To blame the left for this pandemic is beyond the pale, and certainly your closing sentence can be applied to both sides.
 
IBTL

If you're young and conservative you have no heart. If you're old and liberal you have no brain.
 
MuseChaser said:
One must believe one of the two following suppositions as fact....either...

1. Politicians enter public service altruistically, in order to serve and improve the lives of their fellow man...,

Or....

2. Politicians enter the political arena due to a sense of superiority or their desire to benefit from their fellow man.

Given your knowledge and experiences with human nature, which is most likely? And, assuming your experiences mirror mine to at least a significant degree, how is it difficult to believe that many, if not all, of those "in power" would use this catastrophe opportunistically to further cement their ability to control those "beneath" them?
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That makes the misguided assumption that the politicians are the ones truly in power.
 
people...……………….sheeple...………………….it rhymes! pretty crafty, sac...….
 
Sac Arrow said:
Please don't make this political because both sides are to blame. Coronavirus prevention is not an end to a game. It is an excuse.

Okay let me relapse to Saturday"s communication with our local county supervisor.

Off the record. She is in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Maybe not but let's just go with that. She is a county supervisor and she believes everything I say with more fervor than even I do.

She thinks this whole thing is an attempt to destroy capitalism. And we are in California. The problem is, as. Much as I want to disagree with her, she might be right.
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

South Korea and Taiwan have this under control without any lockdown and very little impact to their economy. Both of them are capitalist. The only difference is they just didn't dismiss this thing as a "flu" when it was staring them right in the face.

Granted, they've had a few practice runs with things like SARS, MERS and Bird flu, but our leaders had years of time to read about it, but chose to instead ignore years of warnings. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 
Here's something to think about: Its not the virus itself that is the problem. Of the confirmed cases, more than 80% recover fully within a couple of weeks. The mortality rate is somewhere between 1% and 3%. And, we're not even yet talking about all the cases that stay home and recover, and thus, never get counted.

The real problem, is the inundation of our healthcare systems. The pro's say it probably won't be one sharp peak, up and down and over in a couple of weeks. But, a series of waves. And, the damage it will likely do to our healthcare system, and our economy, whether we quarantine our not, will be astounding. Better to "flatten the curve". Not just for the virus. But, for all the other people out there that suffer trauma and serious illness that will have to compete with the virus for health care.

I know, there's a lot of folks out there that say the experts are wrong. But, think about it, if no one can offer us a logical, scientific way out of this, if our social system has become so totally corrupt as to be completely unreliable, then the economy, and indeed our entire society, has already collapsed.
 
iflyvfr said:
I believe that both 1 & 2 are true. The #1s are indeed altruistic while the #2s end up in true power positions. To blame the left for this pandemic is beyond the pale, and certainly your closing sentence can be applied to both sides.
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I'm a bit confused by your response; I've read myriad reports detailing the left's blaming our President for the pandemic or a less than perfect response to it, including yet another newly formed comission to explore alleged misdeeds, but I don't recall a single instance of any conservative asserting that this pandemic has been caused by "the left." This pandemic has been caused by a virus. Our response has partially mitigated its awful effects. It could have been much worse...or possibly not as bad. We are all imperfect humans.
 
MuseChaser said:
I'm a bit confused by your response; I've read myriad reports detailing the left's blaming our President for the pandemic or a less than perfect response to it, including yet another newly formed comission to explore alleged misdeeds, but I don't recall a single instance of any conservative asserting that this pandemic has been caused by "the left." This pandemic has been caused by a virus. Our response has partially mitigated its awful effects. It could have been much worse...or possibly not as bad. We are all imperfect humans.
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Muse, I'm referring to Ms. Selhke's post that @Sac Arrow pasted here to open this thread. Trump's response has been less than perfect, on that we agree, but that is not what I am referring to. Hell, I'd be willing to argue he's doing the best he can under the circumstances, even if he sucks as an orator. I'm responding to the conspiracy theory of the original post. Come one people, we are better and smarter than that, aren't we?
 
I sure would hate going through life as ignorant and paranoid, which leads to a constant state of anger and grasping at conspiracy theories to make sense of a world that they do not understand.

One can have a reasonable basis to contemplate whether we are handling this virus in the best possible way, assuming one can put aside cataclysmic conspiracy theories. It all comes down to the value of human life. Are we willing to put up with the depopulation of retirement/senior homes and residences along with a smattering of the younger members of society probably running into the millions in this country and tens of millions worldwide. By tomorrow morning we are likely to cross the 10,000 dead mark and it is going up by over 1,000 and a day and accelerating. This is apparently a rather virulent virus which we don't really have a handle on its lethality. It is projected by the IMHE to peak at over 2,500 a day and kill almost 100K. That is with the measures we have taken. Without . . . who knows, but the Spanish flu killed over 600,000 with a population less than 1/3 that which we now have. If this has a similar lethality rate, then we could expect to lose 2M if we just carried on as usual.

So, does anyone want to make the case that we should just go back life and work as normal and start digging mass graves.
 
iflyvfr said:
Muse, I'm referring to Ms. Selhke's post that @Sac Arrow pasted here to open this thread. Trump's response has been less than perfect, on that we agree, but that is not what I am referring to. Hell, I'd be willing to argue he's doing the best he can under the circumstances, even if he sucks as an orator. I'm responding to the conspiracy theory of the original post. Come one people, we are better and smarter than that, aren't we?
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At this point he might be personally, but I find it hard to overlook the wasted two months that we could have been preparing. I think it also unfortunate that he has the civil servants so scared of his wrath that no one wants to make a decision so bureaucratic foul ups are even more prevalent than usual.
 
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