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Brad
Yesterday I was flying back home from Duluth. Cool to see the big lake not frozen over. Saw 4 Vision Jets including passing about 700ft below one. Kinda look like a inverted F4 from behind at a distance. I diverge.
On the way back my straight line course had me going through the MSP Bravo starting with a [10,6] entry then [10,4] and finally [10,7]. I was on FF the whole way and was cleared into the Bravo about 25 miles out. I was flying at 6500.
As I neared the [10,6] she asked me to go down to 4500 for separation no problem. So I will start in the Bravo and then end up outside (below) it.
As I entered the [10,6] she asked to fly AT OR BELOW 4000.
By the time I reached the [10,4] I was purposely flying at 3800 so still outside (under) the Bravo. That lasted about 3 minutes and then she said I could resume altitude so I started a climb back up to 4500 putting me back into the [10,4] area.
I was then handed off to approach and when I checked in he said maintain VFR and remain outside the Bravo..???? So I started turning right and descending - crapshoot as to which would get me out soonest. Then about 20 seconds later he calls back and tells me he didnt have all the info from the handoff from center and I am still cleared into the Bravo and apologizes Okay, that makes more sense.
Eventually I have exited the Bravo and he tells me I am now clear of the Bravo, maintain VFR, etc.
I have been through many times. I think this one was a bit weird due to traffic circumstances. But I dont recollect always hearing a specific phrase once I am clear.
Is there a specific phrase we are supposed to hear from ATC to make it clear the clearance is now ended? Or is it more implicit (unlike the clearance itself)?
That's also the first time I've been given vectors in the Bravo that had me exit (downward) and then re-enter (upward) during the same transition.
Please note: Not knocking the controllers, they've always been mega helpful and these transitions save time and fuel and teach me more about being in controlled airspace each time.
On the way back my straight line course had me going through the MSP Bravo starting with a [10,6] entry then [10,4] and finally [10,7]. I was on FF the whole way and was cleared into the Bravo about 25 miles out. I was flying at 6500.
As I neared the [10,6] she asked me to go down to 4500 for separation no problem. So I will start in the Bravo and then end up outside (below) it.
As I entered the [10,6] she asked to fly AT OR BELOW 4000.
By the time I reached the [10,4] I was purposely flying at 3800 so still outside (under) the Bravo. That lasted about 3 minutes and then she said I could resume altitude so I started a climb back up to 4500 putting me back into the [10,4] area.
I was then handed off to approach and when I checked in he said maintain VFR and remain outside the Bravo..???? So I started turning right and descending - crapshoot as to which would get me out soonest. Then about 20 seconds later he calls back and tells me he didnt have all the info from the handoff from center and I am still cleared into the Bravo and apologizes Okay, that makes more sense.
Eventually I have exited the Bravo and he tells me I am now clear of the Bravo, maintain VFR, etc.
I have been through many times. I think this one was a bit weird due to traffic circumstances. But I dont recollect always hearing a specific phrase once I am clear.
Is there a specific phrase we are supposed to hear from ATC to make it clear the clearance is now ended? Or is it more implicit (unlike the clearance itself)?
That's also the first time I've been given vectors in the Bravo that had me exit (downward) and then re-enter (upward) during the same transition.
Please note: Not knocking the controllers, they've always been mega helpful and these transitions save time and fuel and teach me more about being in controlled airspace each time.
