LOL. Details, Details.Since this is the Internet, time for a pedantic correction: Those scratches aren't on the face, they're on the back. For a tractor airplane, the face of the prop is the side toward the cabin.
Think about a propeller turning... the relative wind is impacting the side facing backwards.
Ron Wanttaja
Those are scrapes caused by something dragged across the prop, or the prop pushed into something, when it wasn't running. They tried to sand it out and left the lighter scratches.
I'm thinking hangar rash. Or a fuel hose dragged across it. Or a fuelling ladder.
Particularly that light scratching around the deep scratches. Weird.
Put this in the rental agreement :-
The use of nail files and keys to remove paint deposited on the propeller during a collision with the fuel truck or otherwise is prohibited.
Ideas - No chocks/brakes, blew/ran away into a fence?
Oh crap, I didn't think about actual vandalism.
Now there's a shocker.It was reported by a later renter as an observation. No one stepped forward as responsible yet.
Dammit. I may be out 2 or 3 AMU.
What’s the definition AMU?
What’s the definition AMU?
In the boating world, it's called a "boat buck."It's aviator dick head supposedly funny term for $1,000.
How is it that the renter Is unknown? Or for the purpose of the form do you mean unnamed?
Does it really matter what happened to the plane and why? It falls back onto the renter, as he is financially liable for damage not squawked when he checked out the plane on his preflight.
When you have multiple people flying the aircraft. The first person to notice something doesn't always mean the previous renter did the damage. It could be that they didn't notice (or report) it.
It's aviator dick head supposedly funny term for $1,000.
arnoha
Why do you think it needs to be repaired ?
WAG= some one used the tow bar to push the aircraft.
It's aviator dick head supposedly funny term for $1,000.
I had a plane on leaseback for about 5 years. Expecting renters to treat your plane like you do simply never happens.This, yeah. ^^^
Though how you do a real preflight and miss this is beyond me. Other options: The direct previous renter didn't see it as serious enough to abort the flight or even mention it. The responsible party is actually the renter who reported it.
EDIT: Also, though it is true that the contract lays the responsibility directly on the previous renter, it's unusual for that clause to be enforced at 100%. Being stuck with a $3000 bill because you made a judgment call that something was airworthy and not worth mention and someone else made a different call would suck royally, even if technically it is your responsibility by contract.
In this case, at least four pilots deemed the plane airworthy before two pilots and Mx didn't. Even here, Tom implied he didn't see an issue needing repair, so the A&P don't agree. Hard to slam someone for this one.
Darn, that's my favorite 172. I haven't flown it in quite a while, but I love the avionics!Oh crap, I didn't think about actual vandalism. The light scratching is swirling. The deep scratches have steps in them. Some of the light scratching isn't oriented the same as the deep ones. We'll see what the shop's investigation turns up. It was reported by a later renter as an observation. No one stepped forward as responsible yet. The obvious person the look at would be the renter immediately before, but it's always possible they regarded it as still airworthy and didn't note it. Not something I'd mess with. Propeller failure leads in scary things, right behind airframe structural failure.
Dammit. I may be out 2 or 3 AMU.
Is it possible that someone could have pushed another plane into it while it was unattended? Or backed some kind of vehicle into it?Two reasons: first, paint is missing. If nothing else, it needs a coat of paint. If my airframe paint were scratched by renter negligence, it would be repaired and covered by the renter. This is no different.
Second, although I didn't handle the prop personally before it was sent off, I'm told by both the reporter of the issues and the mechanics that the scratches and dents were deep enough to be easily felt and catch edges. The club didn't hesitate to ground the plane as unairworthy almost instantly when they saw it (even though the reporter only marked it as an observation, not a squawk).
Granted, on the flip side, both the reporter and their CFI, along with the next student and CFI, chose to fly the plane before the club had a chance to inspect the observation. The final pilot before inspection, on the next day, shows only 30 minutes on the schedule, which usually means they did a preflight and didn't fly. That's reflected in the fact that there is no charge to that pilot. They may have brought it to the A&P's attention, not sure right now.
There was one student/CFI combo before the reporter. And before that, the previous pilot was...me. I certainly know I didn't hit anything. I don't remember any rock chips and I didn't even go anywhere. Just pattern work. I do not remember seeing that on preflight. I feel like that would have been a huge error had I missed so many scratches and dents; I don't remember any. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.
Is it possible that someone could have pushed another plane into it while it was unattended? Or backed some kind of vehicle into it?
One of the reasons that I've stuck with this club so long is that they're serious about maintenance.
Darn, that's my favorite 172. I haven't flown it in quite a while, but I love the avionics!
I had a plane on leaseback for about 5 years. Expecting renters to treat your plane like you do simply never happens.
Some people aren't as diligent on pre-flights.
Some look at something and mentally flip a coin as to whether it needs reporting. These are pilots, not A&P's.
The alternative is the pilot who reports EVERYTHING. I had a guy once who flagged the plane, didn't make a trip because there was oil on the floor under the breather tube. And complained about the plane not being available.
This is life in leaseback.
Two reasons: first, paint is missing..
Since this is the Internet, time for a pedantic correction: Those scratches aren't on the face, they're on the back. For a tractor airplane, the face of the prop is the side toward the cabin.
Think about a propeller turning... the relative wind is impacting the side facing backwards.
Ron Wanttaja
Maybe someone took a wrong turn on the way to the nearby vehicle gate, and then had to maneuver to turn around in the tight quarters to get out of the dead-end. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a club member or staff.Glad you like the plane! Didn't realize you flew it. It'll be back online soon, don't worry. The only thing I would change right now with what's there right now is to move the USB power ports. I thought right in the middle would be a great location, central and convenient. It really just means there's always a cable in the way when you're using it. Live and learn.
It's unlikely, but not impossible, that someone backed into it. I've got the tiedown right outside the door for WVFC. And it's a dead-end, as you know. There's only one other aircraft that is parked where it could interfere with the plane. No other aircraft has any reason to be down at the end of that alley. Other vehicles would be WVFC fueling trucks and the like...and I hope they wouldn't lie about contact! I have a good relationship with everyone that works there, as far as I know.
Has the checklist been modified to remove that item?The one that made me crazy is the failed avionics fan squawk. Repeatedly. After the now unneeded fan was removed in the panel update. And we put up a sticker saying "NO AVIONICS FAN".
Maybe someone took a wrong turn on the way to the nearby vehicle gate, and then had to maneuver to turn around in the tight quarters to get out of the dead-end. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a club member or staff.
I once found a dent in my previously-undamaged car, and no note. (That was in a supermarket parking lot.)
Has the checklist been modified to remove that item?