What is it like to be an overnight freight pilot flying small GA cargo airplanes?

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For all pilots who fly for a small air cargo company, I am wondering what it's like to fly a small single-engine or small multi-engine GA cargo aircraft flying cargo and small freight from airport to airport in the middle of the night? I see quite a few of them on the Flightaware website in the middle of the night.

For example, I see a Bonanza flying from Washington Dulles Airport to Republic Airport (KFRG) and back in the middle of the night. I found out that this Bonanza belongs to a company called GTA Air which specialize in flying on-demand cargo and small air freight.

What is the lifestyle like for an overnight small air cargo pilot?

Just curious to know.
 
Must not have gotten that promotion
 
It used to be flying cancelled checks from regional bank center to regional bank center. However, with the advent of electronic clearing, I have been told that the "air check" business has pretty well dried up.

Someone to confirm or deny? -Skip
 
One word: boring.

Only one time I had any excitement, and that was on the radio listening to a plane declare an emergency. Seems one engine had failed. All the usual questions was asked; souls on board, fuel remaining, etc.... From the sounds of the conversation I made out the plane to be either a Barron or Comanche.

Then all the excitement was lost on me as the controller was clearing traffic out of the way, someone asked what type of plane...... I almost fell out of my plane when the controller announced that the plane with the in flight emergency was a B-52..!!!!!!

And then a voice was heard to say..... wait for it.... The dreaded 7 engine approach....
 
It used to be flying cancelled checks from regional bank center to regional bank center. However, with the advent of electronic clearing, I have been told that the "air check" business has pretty well dried up.

Someone to confirm or deny? -Skip

I flew checks but it was to the Federal Reserve in MEM every week night. Mostly in a C172, occasionally a Lance or various 310 models (we had 5-6 310s) after 9-10 pm, and getting back around midnight or later. After arrival in MEM I'd jump in a car we had there and drive to the bank and drop off the checks. Wasn't fun in crappy weather, T-storms and ice, but as a fresh Comm/Instr pilot great experience. We also did some on demand cargo hauling, mostly from auto related plants (wiring harnesses, etc) in the south to Willow Run I think. And yes, it has dried up, years ago.
 
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One word: boring.

Only one time I had any excitement, and that was on the radio listening to a plane declare an emergency. Seems one engine had failed. All the usual questions was asked; souls on board, fuel remaining, etc.... From the sounds of the conversation I made out the plane to be either a Barron or Comanche.

Then all the excitement was lost on me as the controller was clearing traffic out of the way, someone asked what type of plane...... I almost fell out of my plane when the controller announced that the plane with the in flight emergency was a B-52..!!!!!!

And then a voice was heard to say..... wait for it.... The dreaded 7 engine approach....

Hey, maybe it was his critical engine!
 
Quest Diagnostics flies a Baron 58 out of my area daily, leaving around 23:00 local. Wouldn't be my first choice, but I suppose it's a viable option if nothing else is available.
 
For all pilots who fly for a small air cargo company, I am wondering what it's like to fly a small single-engine or small multi-engine GA cargo aircraft flying cargo and small freight from airport to airport in the middle of the night? I see quite a few of them on the Flightaware website in the middle of the night.

For example, I see a Bonanza flying from Washington Dulles Airport to Republic Airport (KFRG) and back in the middle of the night. I found out that this Bonanza belongs to a company called GTA Air which specialize in flying on-demand cargo and small air freight.

What is the lifestyle like for an overnight small air cargo pilot?

Just curious to know.

I know whether my experience checks off your box, but I used to fly from Seattle to Oakland and back every night in a Navajo full of boxes. Left at 2100, back at about 0700. Fairly normal life. Sometimes a piece of cargo that had been lovingly crated/packaged by a shipper had to be "undressed" to make it fit, and when there were flowers in dry ice on board I had to wear oxygen. Great way to build twin time.

Bob Gardner
 
I was offered a regular nighttime Lauderdale to Nassau gig in my 172 for $1000 per flight. Turned it down.
 
It sucks. It really really sucks. Flying in combat felt more relaxing than hauling checks in a frigid old Aztec wondering what was going to breakdown next.

Don't bother checking weather - you're going or they'll find someone who will.

So very true.
 
I was offered a regular nighttime Lauderdale to Nassau gig in my 172 for $1000 per flight. Turned it down.

That would be a tough gig to pass on, but at night over open water in a single. Yeah, I can't blame you.

Its not the single engine over water that would bother me, its the people waiting for that package that would scare me....
 
Its not the single engine over water that would bother me, its the people waiting for that package that would scare me....

I'm sure they wouldn't bother you too much, they would be in and out as quick as possible...
 
Its not the single engine over water that would bother me, its the people waiting for that package that would scare me....

Back around 1978 I was offered a gig making regular trips over the Mexican border for "big money". Didn't even care if I had a commercial ticket, hmmm. Seemed advisable to pass on that one... :eek2:
 
Back around 1978 I was offered a gig making regular trips over the Mexican border for "big money". Didn't even care if I had a commercial ticket, hmmm. Seemed advisable to pass on that one... :eek2:

But why? Its just 'cargo'...to an unlighted dirt strip....at night....with a buncha guys with guns...

What could possibly go wrong?
 
What is the lifestyle like for an overnight small air cargo pilot?

It sucks. It really really sucks. Flying in combat felt more relaxing than hauling checks in a frigid old Aztec wondering what was going to breakdown next.

Don't bother checking weather - you're going or they'll find someone who will.

It seems a lifetime ago, but I did the canceled check hauling gig for a couple of years, late '90 to early '93; while it was not an easy job, it was a great experience that I wouldn't trade for anything. Would I do it again? Nah. I was at a pretty decent outfit, U.S. Check, which later became Airnet. We had really good maintenance on the airplanes and virtually no "pilot pushing" from the chief pilot or dispatch. I was Omaha based flying C-310Rs on runs including DSM, STP, MKC, FSD, RST, MDW. It could be pretty boring and routine most nights; summer was hot n sweaty while dodging thunderstorms, while winter was cold, snowy, lotta ice, hoping the boots would work and the heater would keep running. Most nights they did. Some nights would be ILSs to minimums on every leg, 4-7 legs per night. Single pilot, no autopilot, no GPS, all weather... we just went out and did it.

Fatigue was the biggest issue to deal with; my usual run was from 2330 to 0800. Even being on a night schedule,the 0600 launch outta STP to head for home was tough, was really hard to stay awake on that leg. I'd fly 4-5 nights a week, then Sat/Sun would revert back to a day schedule to try and be "normal" for a couple of days. Learning to sleep well during the day took awhile.

Now that hauling canceled checks and overnight film is a relic of the past, there aren't nearly as many old Barons, 402s, Lear 35s flying around all night. I see that GTA runs a few Bonanzas and Barons around, while Central Air out of MKC is still running some old Aero Commanders. Even my old Airnet is down to a handful of Barons and a few Lears. I wonder what they're hauling these days? It's the price of progress I suppose, but it's sort of sad that these jobs have dried up, it was a great way to build time and experience while working toward an airline job.
 
You have to work at night and sleep during the day. When its IMC at night it gets serious. Consider an electrical failure at night in IMC. How are you going to see the instruments. But, pilots do it. With suprisingly few accidents all things considered.
 
Its not the single engine over water that would bother me, its the people waiting for that package that would scare me....

I used to know a DEA pilot. He said the pay for those questionable trips was good but longevity was not.
 
Back around 1978 I was offered a gig making regular trips over the Mexican border for "big money". Didn't even care if I had a commercial ticket, hmmm. Seemed advisable to pass on that one... :eek2:

Around 1985 my idiot older brother told me that he had been offered $5K per plane if he could find a farmer willing to let someone use his fields for night landings. I told him I didn't want to even talk about that sort of stuff, don't mention it again.

In 1987 the DEA politely knocked on his door. It seems brother was so interested in the operation he showed up and helped unload the planes. Since he had told everyone there his real name, it wasn't difficult for the feds to find him after they had busted the pilot and other participants.

He received two years to reflect upon the errors of his ways.
 
I didn't think there was a whole lot of small night freight anymore. The mainstay of that business was check clearing and that's all done electronically now. A lot of the other stuff just goes via the express carriers (FEDEX, UPS, etc..).
 
I didn't think there was a whole lot of small night freight anymore. The mainstay of that business was check clearing and that's all done electronically now. A lot of the other stuff just goes via the express carriers (FEDEX, UPS, etc..).

They must be doing OK. There's two ops on my home field. One flies 727's, the other Falcon 20's and smaller down to C310's. Both are doing well.
 
Big banks and brokerages still contract for some courier runs for documents that they don't want to get lost on fedex/ups.
There is still some flying of lab samples for tests that are only done at regional labs.
In some areas radio-pharmaceuticals for imaging tests are distributed to rural hospitals using contracted aircraft.
 
I love the old magazines. great ads for cigs, and such. Did you see the weights on some of those old radios/navigators. One was "only" 34lbs - and 11 of that was the backup battery. Thats why people were skinny, no useful load if you had fancy radios and were fat.

With all our modern, lightweight digital radios and such, you can 20-30lbs and still have a decent useful load. :D
 
I didn't think there was a whole lot of small night freight anymore. The mainstay of that business was check clearing and that's all done electronically now. A lot of the other stuff just goes via the express carriers (FEDEX, UPS, etc..).

How do you think the freight gets from where the big UPS/FedEx/DHL plane stops to the smaller outlying cities? Most of the major players of 15+ years ago in the check business got into the small package UPS/FedEx/DHL business.
 
Back around 1978 I was offered a gig making regular trips over the Mexican border for "big money". Didn't even care if I had a commercial ticket, hmmm. Seemed advisable to pass on that one... :eek2:

Which direction? In that era, things were going in both directions. The northbound trips were probably more lucrative but the longevity wasn't likely very good.

There are a few books that have been written about the southbound contraband flying, which is interesting to read. I haven't seen too much information beyond those entertaining stories on the subject though.
 
How do you think the freight gets from where the big UPS/FedEx/DHL plane stops to the smaller outlying cities? Most of the major players of 15+ years ago in the check business got into the small package UPS/FedEx/DHL business.

Yep, the amount of piston twin night cargo is likely reduced from what it once was, but there are still subcontractors out there hauling freight for the big companies.
 
Big banks and brokerages still contract for some courier runs for documents that they don't want to get lost on fedex/ups.
There is still some flying of lab samples for tests that are only done at regional labs.
In some areas radio-pharmaceuticals for imaging tests are distributed to rural hospitals using contracted aircraft.

I also had a gig flying frozen calf embryos from Carnation Farms down to Modesto. Lots of interesting things go on in general aviation.

Bob
 
I was TDY during the controllers strike to Quonset airport in RI. A small flight school on the field allowed me to instruct while I was up there. Had this one character as a student who had Mafia associations. One lesson he shows up and says "I almost called you Fri night". I says, "oh yeah, about what". He said "you could've made $500 flying a package to Harrisburg". All I needed, in the Air Force and this cat trying to set me up with who knows what. Also had another student who was part of the group funneling money to the IRA in Ireland. Some characters up there.
 
Which direction? In that era, things were going in both directions. The northbound trips were probably more lucrative but the longevity wasn't likely very good.

I can only assume it was northbound cargo. Was a shady character hanging around an airport with three flying schools on the field, and he didn't care about certificates (I had a PPL with the ink still wet).

But maybe that wasn't that uncommon; even ten years later I was offered a job towing banners on the Jersey shore. Still no commercial, just flying my T-Craft for fun, the guy didn't care ("I've seen you fly.") I actually thought about it, he was using a couple of ratty Cessna O-1's and a Stearman and I would've loved some more Stearman time, but he wanted a commitment for every summer weekend and between that and a good weekday job I wanted a life. Good thing I turned him down, a week or two later one of the Bird Dogs crashed (no injuries) when the engine quit while picking up a banner... if it'd been me with no commercial ticket I'd have been in a heap of trouble.
 
Back in 2012 we had a Lear 35 flying week nights to SDF and back from DSM. I think they were doing some checks and mail. Always thought it was interesting since they went off of the UPS ramp and obviously to the same eventual destination...just an hour or two later than UPS.
 
Which direction? In that era, things were going in both directions. The northbound trips were probably more lucrative but the longevity wasn't likely very good.

There are a few books that have been written about the southbound contraband flying, which is interesting to read. I haven't seen too much information beyond those entertaining stories on the subject though.
Can you recommend some books on that topic? Looking for some good hangar flying for days like today (30019G28KT 1SM -SN OVC001 M13/M14).
 
Can you recommend some books on that topic? Looking for some good hangar flying for days like today (30019G28KT 1SM -SN OVC001 M13/M14).

"Over and Back" By Bill Callahan is probably the best and most detailed account of the flying down there.
 
It used to be flying cancelled checks from regional bank center to regional bank center. However, with the advent of electronic clearing, I have been told that the "air check" business has pretty well dried up.

Someone to confirm or deny? -Skip

Long long dead.

Back around 1978 I was offered a gig making regular trips over the Mexican border for "big money". Didn't even care if I had a commercial ticket, hmmm. Seemed advisable to pass on that one... :eek2:

Treetop Flyer...
 
Back in 2012 we had a Lear 35 flying week nights to SDF and back from DSM. I think they were doing some checks and mail. Always thought it was interesting since they went off of the UPS ramp and obviously to the same eventual destination...just an hour or two later than UPS.
Pretty sure that that flight is carrying packages for one of UPS's customers that require a late pickup out of DSM. Think that it's a Falcon 20 nowadays.
 
Not without some risk, but a great experience. I fly a fair bit of night and IMC, not a forgiving environment, but I do prefer night flights. Quieter, rarely are you number 5 for the airport. Sadly this Metro went down last night, bad weather may have been involved.
 

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Not without some risk, but a great experience. I fly a fair bit of night and IMC, not a forgiving environment, but I do prefer night flights. Quieter, rarely are you number 5 for the airport. Sadly this Metro went down last night, bad weather may have been involved.

In ABY or ECP?
 
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