Were those gunshots?

SkyHog

SkyHog

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My heart's racing. Right around the corner (and no, not exaggerating), the police have a murder suspect surrounded in a home, I've been warned a few times to stay inside (although I went out to try to get pictures a few times), and there's been a standoff for a good 5 or 6 hours (apparently when I left for the Lobos game, it was already in progress).

So I just heard what sounded like about 10 gunshots back to back. Just to make sure it wasn't something else, I called the police to report it and was told "Those are flashbangs, stay inside your house."

I don't think they were :(

I actually live in a nice neighborhood right now too.

edit: Btw - right around the corner is very accurate:
 

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Some news stories and pictures:
http://kob.com/article/stories/S814786.shtml?cat=500
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Nick, you live in this neighborhood? :)

A business owner has been fatally shot at his home in an upscale Albuquerque neighborhood
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KennyFlys said:
Nick, you live in this neighborhood? :)
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Nope, I actually live on the other side of town from where the guy was shot. I'm in Taylor Ranch, where the murderer is holed up (or dead, not sure right now).

Haven't heard anything in a while.
 
Looks like they're inside the house now. I feel bad for the immediate neighbors, they're sitting outside, not allowed into their homes, and its getting a bit cold outside.

At least I can watch this from the "safety" of my own home.
 
We lived in a nice apt complex until the night a gunman chased someone into a cops apt not 50 yds from my 18 month old sons room and shot the guy last year.
 
Jeez, Nick, keep your head down! That is really scary stuff.

I trust this is unusual for your new neighborhood?:frown3:

Stay safe, dude.:smile:
 
What is it with you guys? I don't live in that nice a neighborhood, heck I never have! I've never touched a gun (except one that came out of a locked cabinet in the country) and never heard one fired (except blanks on stage). I was broken into once when I left the back door unlocked, guy got some cash and a digital camera that the insurance promptly replaced before he was chased off by my pet shi-tzu. Worst crime ever in the hood. For gosh sakes, what's with all the wild-west drama!
 
steingar said:
What is it with you guys? I don't live in that nice a neighborhood, heck I never have! I've never touched a gun (except one that came out of a locked cabinet in the country) and never heard one fired (except blanks on stage). I was broken into once when I left the back door unlocked, guy got some cash and a digital camera that the insurance promptly replaced before he was chased off by my pet shi-tzu. Worst crime ever in the hood. For gosh sakes, what's with all the wild-west drama!
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I think its because Albuquerque is still very "Wild West" compared to the rest of the United states. Its gotten better, but still, very wild westish.
 
jesse said:
Nick is used to this sort of thing.
One incident:
Another incident:
Here is a picture of a bullet through his living room:
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And now; a third incident. :skeptical:

Nick,
Your learning curve seems to be a little flat. :nono:
Let me help you out here a bit:
MOVE!
NOW!

If that's not working; LEAVE TOWN.

FLEE!!! :yes: :thumbsup:
 
SkyHog said:
Nope, I actually live on the other side of town from where the guy was shot. I'm in Taylor Ranch, where the murderer is holed up (or dead, not sure right now).

Haven't heard anything in a while.
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I know right where you live. I used to drive almost past you on the way up to a friend's house in Rio Rancho.
 
fgcason said:
And now; a third incident. :skeptical:

Nick,
Your learning curve seems to be a little flat. :nono:
Let me help you out here a bit:
MOVE!
NOW!

If that's not working; LEAVE TOWN.

FLEE!!! :yes: :thumbsup:
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WHAT HE SAID!!!!
 
From the KOB website:

A SWAT team used flash-bang grenades or tear gas to try and get the Hovland out of the home late Tuesday evening as the standoff wore on and continued trying to make contact with him, but by about 1:00 Wednesday morning officials concluded that was never in the home.
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So Nick was in danger from the police activity, not from the bad dude. -Skip
 
SkyHog said:
My heart's racing. Right around the corner (and no, not exaggerating), the police have a murder suspect surrounded in a home, I've been warned a few times to stay inside (although I went out to try to get pictures a few times), and there's been a standoff for a good 5 or 6 hours (apparently when I left for the Lobos game, it was already in progress).

So I just heard what sounded like about 10 gunshots back to back. Just to make sure it wasn't something else, I called the police to report it and was told "Those are flashbangs, stay inside your house."

I don't think they were :(

I actually live in a nice neighborhood right now too.

edit: Btw - right around the corner is very accurate:
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So I'm guessing you haven't spent any time in the Infantry...?
 
smigaldi said:
I know right where you live. I used to drive almost past you on the way up to a friend's house in Rio Rancho.
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Yep. Taylor Ranch Rd. becomes Golf Course about a half mile up, and that goes right into Rio Rancho.

Nice neighborhood. Dammit, no place in ABQ is immune from this crap.
 
fgcason said:
And now; a third incident. :skeptical:

Nick,
Your learning curve seems to be a little flat. :nono:
Let me help you out here a bit:
MOVE!
NOW!

If that's not working; LEAVE TOWN.

FLEE!!! :yes: :thumbsup:
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mikea said:
WHAT HE SAID!!!!
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hehe guys, I have a good job now, and I really do live in a much better part of town. I wonder if maybe I'm just a magnet for nearby crime. lol
 
If you do move Nick, don't move close to me! :D:rofl:

This stuff seems to follow you around like a bad dream. Good luck and stay safe!
 
SkyHog said:
I think its because Albuquerque is still very "Wild West" compared to the rest of the United states. Its gotten better, but still, very wild westish.
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I beg to differ....

think it's bad in ABQ.....?

This happened at the next house down the road from me. And I live in a pretty remote area as Jesse can attest.

"Doug was killed in self defense about 2 years ago...high on meth was what killed him...the gun just finished him off...they say he was plumb scary lookin' and in pitiful shape at the time. I know the woman personally whose house he was in when it happened. He came into her house and busted up in the kitchen unnanounced and uninvited raisng heck...he had already threatened the guy out in the yard saying he was gonna come back and kill him...he came into the kitchen with one hand behind his back...turns out he didn't have a weapon...Copiah Co. jury ruled it self defense...his family got caught telling a bunch of lies on the stand...trial lasted maybe one or two days."

For more details with what I have to put up with here read through the entire thread at

http://www.mdwfp.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42726&whichpage=1

It mainly discusses the problem with poaching that has impacted the quality of deer hunting in the area and implies who is responsible for it.

I hear gun shots (close) about 2/3 times a week at night during hunting season. Mostly on Friday and Saturday nights other times of the year.

I've called the local LEA a few of times about it. Takes them 40 minutes to respond. They just laugh when I call. Once the now deceased individual attempted to get his horse to trample me on my own property. Back in January another neighbor called me to tell me he saw members of the family shooting down my driveway from the road (@ 11pm) toward my house.

There are some crazy people out there.
 
SkyHog said:
I think its because Albuquerque is still very "Wild West" compared to the rest of the United states. Its gotten better, but still, very wild westish.
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The "Harley,", looking at the front end of a WW-II era Colt 38.
(in South Portland, Maine)

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Steve said:
Once the now deceased individual attempted to get his horse to trample me on my own property.
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Hunh?

Was he riding the horse?

FWIW: A horse has to be trained to "trample" people. They have an aversion to it and will naturally avoid running over someone. They will run around you even if it looks like the horse is coming "right at you."

If a horse wants to mess with you he'll be docile until you get close, then will slowly show you his hindquarters.


(All rules are broken in a herd stampede, but this is rare unless the guy had 200 horses).
 
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jmaynard said:
No place is immune, anywhere. There is no such thing as a neighborhood too nice for crime.
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Some people seem to think otherwise--except--if you bust out google news there are plenty of really nasty home invasions that happen in all sorts of neighborhoods from the poor to the very rich.

Steve said:
And I live in a pretty remote area as Jesse can attest.
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Too far from the interstate for a Yankee like me. Good thing my bike didn't break down. Thankfully I was taught beforehand to run *AWAY* from the banjo sounds.
 
Oh for Pete's sake. Lets try this again. I know plenty of people who've been broken into. I know no one who has suffered more than the loss of an easily replaceable electronic appliance. I have read about horrific home invasions in the newspaper, which is why I know how rare they are. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in the newspaper. If you have such fears where you live, move. There are much better places, where people are law-abiding and don't feel the need for a readily available arsenal. There are places where the prevailing culture is civilized. It doesn't have to be the way it is there.
 
steingar said:
Oh for Pete's sake. Lets try this again. I know plenty of people who've been broken into. I know no one who has suffered more than the loss of an easily replaceable electronic appliance. I have read about horrific home invasions in the newspaper, which is why I know how rare they are. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in the newspaper. If you have such fears where you live, move. There are much better places, where people are law-abiding and don't feel the need for a readily available arsenal. There are places where the prevailing culture is civilized. It doesn't have to be the way it is there.
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I personally know very few people that have had an engine failure. I also know very few people that have had their home invaded. I know two people that have held someone at gun-point during an invasion, one of which, without a doubt would have had a violent ending had they been unable to defend themselves. Neither of these occurred in a bad neighborhood.

I still recognize the risk of an engine failure and train for it, the same as I recognize the other risk.
 
steingar said:
Oh for Pete's sake. Lets try this again. I know plenty of people who've been broken into. I know no one who has suffered more than the loss of an easily replaceable electronic appliance. I have read about horrific home invasions in the newspaper, which is why I know how rare they are. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in the newspaper. If you have such fears where you live, move. There are much better places, where people are law-abiding and don't feel the need for a readily available arsenal. There are places where the prevailing culture is civilized. It doesn't have to be the way it is there.
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Geez, why be rational, when it's so much easier and more fun to incite fear and make the call to arms?

Really, if you look at threats to safety, it makes a whole lot more sense to install smoke detectors in every room and a fire sprinkler system in your house than it does to buy a small arsenal...


Trapper John
 
Trapper John said:
Really, if you look at threats to safety, it makes a whole lot more sense to install smoke detectors in every room and a fire sprinkler system in your house than it does to buy a small arsenal...
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Sure it does. Which is why most people have smoke detectors. Almost everyone would have a fire sprinkler system too if it were affordable.

Risk vs. Cost

Being able to defend yourself really isn't that expensive.
 
FWIW, so far, in all three cases I've mentioned here, having a gun solved exactly none of them. I wasn't going to run out into the street at my old apartment and start busting caps into the gangsters, I wasn't going to go assist the police officers at my old apartment by running out with my gun and shooting everyone dead, and I certainly wasn't going to go out and shoot that dude that wasn't even in the house they thought he was last night.

But if the time comes, after all the crime I've witnessed in the last few years, where I have to defend my home, I'm prepared. And that's what is important. And that's not why this or any of the other three threads were started.
 
steingar said:
Oh for Pete's sake. Lets try this again. I know plenty of people who've been broken into. I know no one who has suffered more than the loss of an easily replaceable electronic appliance. I have read about horrific home invasions in the newspaper, which is why I know how rare they are. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in the newspaper. If you have such fears where you live, move. There are much better places, where people are law-abiding and don't feel the need for a readily available arsenal. There are places where the prevailing culture is civilized. It doesn't have to be the way it is there.
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I like my arsenal.:cool2:

I like to clean my arsenal.:smile:

I like to look at and admire the engineering of the arsenal.:yes:

In fact -- I like to carry the arsenal around.:happydance:

I shoot each and every one frequently at a variety of paper and in-season live targets. :target:


THE PREVIOUS UNPAID ANNOUNCEMENT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT

PS: If some lowlife chooses to enter where unbidden, he may meet my arsenal. And togther we will wait the normal 20-45 minutes before the Pennsylvania State Police happen to join us.
 
Some people feel that they want guns for self-defense. Some don't. I'm of the don't variety, but so what? To each their own. :rolleyes:
 
Trapper John said:
Geez, why be rational, when it's so much easier and more fun to incite fear and make the call to arms?

Really, if you look at threats to safety, it makes a whole lot more sense to install smoke detectors in every room and a fire sprinkler system in your house than it does to buy a small arsenal...


Trapper John
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So a $189 Mossberg 12g and one box of shells from Wal Mart is more expensive than an in home sprinkler system?

Amazing....
 
SkyHog said:
hehe guys, I have a good job now, and I really do live in a much better part of town. I wonder if maybe I'm just a magnet for nearby crime. lol
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Ok if you say so. Just don't come crying to us if you get shot. We'll just say "I told you so."

A better job doesn't do squat good if they shoot you. My and your definitions of a better part of town are somewhat divergent.

In the meantime until you successfully disprove the hooligan magnet theory, if you move near me you're a nice guy and everything but I'm rolling out right then. No offense...
 
Didn't say you shouldn't own your arsenal. I said you shouldn't live somewhere you felt the need for an arsenal.
 
dmccormack said:
So a $189 Mossberg 12g and one box of shells from Wal Mart is more expensive than an in home sprinkler system?

Amazing....
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You conveniently ignored "small arsenal". And if you want to pick nits, you can buy a lot of smoke detectors at Walmart for $189...and mitigate a hazard much more likely to result in loss of life or property than the oft-ballyhooed home invaders supposedly roaming the country.


Trapper John
 
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