Weird NTSB report

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While sitting at home waiting for the rain to pass over so I can hopefully go flying when it clears up this evening, I'm reading NTSB reports.
This one is really strange:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060405X00396&key=1

On March 31, 2006, at 2015 central standard time, a Cessna 182T, N2157V, registered to Wings South Inc., and operated by a private owner as a 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight, collided with trees while maneuvering in the vicinity of Double Springs, Alabama. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed. The airplane received substantial damage. The airline transport rated pilot received serious injuries and was transported to a local area hospital by helicopter. The flight last departed Fletcher Field, Clarksdale, Mississippi, on March 31, 2006, at 1800. The destination airport was Grinder Field, Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

According to a lineman at Pine Bluff Aviation, Pine Bluff, Arkansas, the pilot departed Pine Bluff at 04:50 PM, on March 31, 2006. An employee at Fletcher Field, Clarksdale, Mississippi, stated he noticed the airplane landing at the airport at 05:45 PM. The pilot was having trouble deciding which exit to take to the ramp. The airplane stopped at each exit until the airplane came to the end of the runway. The airplane was subsequently taxied to the ramp. The pilot shut down the airplane and exited with out turning off the master switch. Upon exiting the airplane the pilot stated, "You know I've been flying for 60 years, and don't tell anybody, but I'm lost. I know I'm in Clarksdale, but I don't know how to get home." The employee having worked at Grinder Field asked the pilot the names of 3 or 4 people. The pilot had a blank look on his face. The pilot informed him that he was almost out of gas and he did not have any maps. The pilot ordered fuel and the employee informed the pilot to go inside and he could obtain a map. The pilot paid for his fuel and returned to the airplane.

The employee stated to the fixed base operator owner (FBO) that, "this guy (the pilot) has something wrong with him, almost like dementia or Alzheimer's." The employee watched the pilot returned to the airplane. The pilot got in and out of the pilot's door 4 times. The employee went out to the airplane and asked the pilot if he had a problem. The pilot stated his door would not close. The employee asked the pilot if he would like them to drive him home and the pilot said no. The pilot entered the airplane through the passenger door, secured the door, slid over to the pilot seat, opened the pilot door, closed it, and secured it without any problems. The employee returned to the FBO and called Grinder Field and informed them of the situation and asked them to be look out for the pilot. The employee watched the airplane take off and head towards the northeast for a couple of minutes before turning back towards the northwest.

A witness located at a restaurant in the vicinity of Double Springs, Alabama, stated he heard and observed an airplane approaching his location heading north-northwest. The airplane was at a very low altitude, turned to the left, and flew over a day care center located behind the restaurant. The airplane made another turn and flew south towards highway 278. The witness stated he watched the airplane until he could not see it or its lights. A short time later he heard an impact noise. He went inside the restaurant and informed his mother what he saw and heard. They both went outside and drove their van to a friend's house located near the airplanes last observed location. They contacted the friend at his home and he informed them that he did not hear anything. The friend got his four-wheeler and they all went towards a wood line and observed a flashing red light in the woods. They called out to see if anyone would answer. The pilot responded and walked out of the woods and came to their location. The pilot informed them that he had been in a vehicle accident. The 911 emergency operators were called, and emergency responders arrived on scene.

A review of navigation maps by NTSB showed that from Clarksdale, Mississippi, the heading to Pine Bluff, Arkansas, is 264-degrees and the heading to Double Springs, Alabama, the accident site, is 92-degrees.

NTSB says nothing about this guy not having a medical, but still, how did this one slip through? What would you have done in the lineman's shoes?
 
line crew or FBO, should have called the cops. i would bet the the gentleman involved, had esperianced some type of cereral event, that was interferring with his thought processes,
 
wesleyj said:
line crew or FBO, should have called the cops. i would bet the the gentleman involved, had esperianced some type of cereral event, that was interferring with his thought processes,

Instead of the cops he should have called an ambulance. But I get your meaning.

I have seen two people have strokes now. The first one happened in a meeting I was attending everyone thought it was a heart attack but it did not have the same signs and symptoms. The person could not talk and was confused. He ended up passing away a few weeks later. The second was my mother in law. She had been having symptoms all day including loss of motion on one side. She could get no help and she lives in a nursing facility. When she called and described her symptoms I called 911 and we met her at the hospital where they diagnosed a severe bleed near the brain stem. She is lucky to still be alive. It was very liekly this person could have been some sort of stroke or stroke like problem.
 
It appears fairly certain the pilot had some medical deficiency. If I had my head screwed on straight I would have told my employer to report a medical emergency and I would have detained the pilot. Parking the truck in front of the a/c, locking the cab, and standing to the side might be one method to get it done and without head-on confrontation. The pilot didn't sound like he had any fight in him but I'd still want to avid the possibility.

A better solution would have been to take time to not complete the sales receipt until after the authorities showed up.

The head screwed on straight comment is meant not as a comment on the lineman involved but about me. Legally, I wouldn't have the right to interfere with the pilot.

How fortunate that no one died.
 
Richard said:
Legally, I wouldn't have the right to interfere with the pilot.
I'm not entirely sure about that. Any lawyers know what the law is on seeing a drunk trying to get into a car and drive? I suspect that would extend to this case, given that an airplane can cause injury or death to those on the ground if an incapacitated pilot crashes.
 
Ron Levy said:
I'm not entirely sure about that. Any lawyers know what the law is on seeing a drunk trying to get into a car and drive? I suspect that would extend to this case, given that an airplane can cause injury or death to those on the ground if an incapacitated pilot crashes.

I'm not a lawyer but am a paramedic. We often run into similar positions with older folks experiencing altered mental status or drunks. Legally there is not much we can do. We try to convince the person that driving (or flying) is not a good idea. We will call the police. But we legally have no authority to detain the person.

We will do everything we can to detain the person until the authorities arrive. In California, law enforcement can detain someone who is a danger to themselves or others. And of course if someone is drunk and in a car they will arrest the person for DUI.

I like the idea of the lineman doing something to stop the man's departure such as blocking the plane with the fuel truck. This man appeared so confused, the lineman could have said the truck is broken down while calling for law enforcement.

Most people will not think of things like this when they are involved with this type of situation. This is not something the average person is involved with everyday. So the lineman probably could not think of anything to do.

Mike
 
It is very sad.
The lineman (if like here) is probably a 16-19 year old young person and has probably NEVER dealt with anything like this before. As Richard stated the truck would be a good idea or the "take your time" on the receipt would be too. But we have to remember when all this is happening it probably took less than 10 minutes for the ENTIRE exchange for a young person never seeing something like this before that really is not a lot of time to "think of something".
Thankfully the pilot lived and no one else was injured.
Maybe not a bad idea to bring this report up to all the local FBO's so when they talk with lineman maybe the next time the outcome would be better.

Mark B.
 
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