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Tristar

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It's amazing how after years of being around flying and aviation in general how so many people, especially instructors, can loose the appreciation of what they fell in love with. Yet it is equally amazing how those of us that stick around, love even the smallest things about it that give us that kiddish smile every one of you understands. I can't say I haven't had my moments of boredom interrupted by sheer terror but I have never ultimately guessed that the clouds are where I was meant to return. Each time I drive by the airport at night I look at the beauty of a blue, green, and white star lit runway the tranquility is instantly masked by the promise of a new adventure. Each time I see a smile on my student's face after a solo it recaptures why I love what I do not just in flying, but sharing it with others in the ways I know how. But every now and then you get the opportunity to experience something you haven't done before even if its from flying in the clouds for the first time, or...for me..it was flying at 20,000 ft in a cessna.

It just didn't seem right. Cessnas aren't supposed to go that high. Yet oddly I was purely fascinated by the fact that Cessna truly designed such a craft. What would their designers have though 60 years ago if they had heard such a thing? What would Orville and Wilber had thought? "Surely it can't be possible!" I was still trying to wrap my brain around the thought yesterday when I received a phone call asking if I'd like to take her to FL200....you know...that airspace where you have to dial in 29.92 in the trusty altimeter?

This story starts a few weeks before. One of our customers and a student of mine thought about buying an airplane. Now I've seen these fanciful dreams come and go with every pilot and student alike so most of the time it's an "I'll believe it when I see it" notion. Sure enough though, the paperwork started flying in many directions and the more I heard about it the more I believe I became as excited as he was. Then the phone call came in to both of us. "The deal closed!" Of course being his instructor I wasn't about to turn down a few familiarization flights.

I walked out onto the ramp with another instructor and there she was...a beautiful Cessna 182 Turbo. Now it doesn't sound like much but I tell you the paint sparkled more than any other airplane on the lot. It's just a cessna...I know...but I was so proud to know that I would be teaching someone how to fly in it. It's fully equipped with a G1000 cockpit very similar to one of the other aircraft in our fleet.

We climbed into the airplane and ran through the checklist. Within a revolution or two it began to purr like a finely tuned sports car. If you ever want to see a pilot drool it only begins with the sound of an engine. I felt at home as I taxied her out to the runway. It felt exactly like it should...a cessna. The rudders felt smooth and solid beneath my feet. The exhilaration started as I advanced full power on takeoff. The power was amazing as I heard the turbo kick in. Within no time, we were off the ground climbing at a comfy 90 knots.

We were on a fun IFR mission to "see what she'll do" meaning fly to FL200, get a feel for the systems, and...enjoy the scenery! It did take us a little while to climb to that height which gave us plenty of time to play with loading flight plans, talk about turbos, the excitement of teaching in something new and why being a flight instructor can have some great advantages. After passing through 6,000 ft the air was smooth as glass. The combination of atmosphere and aircraft conceives a calming aphrodisiac in the best of aviators. I can understand why pilots like it up here.

I couldn't believe it when we reached FL200. Sure enough, there it was on the PFD "20 000." Down below was the Platte river. Nothing flinched, no waves in the water, no people could be seen or cars to symbolize an active world below us. The river stretched on for what must have been a hundred miles and seemed to illustrate every possible curve that no human could ever design. The flatness of Nebraska was only interrupted by spots of tall odd shaped rocks with windows. If it wasn't for understanding that farms were a part of western civilization, you would never second guess that it wasn't a part of nature. It was like a painting that could never be appreciated enough. I'm sure the mountains would have been even more glamorous.

The little kid inside me, that kid that always wanted to be a pilot when she grew up, was jumping up and down inside. I kept saying, "wow, this is amazing!"

We turned around and started our descent. I was very impressed that pushing the airplane in calm air at 140 knots indicated resulted in 165 TAS and 206 knots Ground speed. I have never seen that fast in any Cessna, "it just doesn't seem natural"...but I'm not complaining! It took us close to half the time to get home as it did to climb and in no time we were setting up to land. I had the airplane all to myself the entire flight and looked forward to experiencing "heavy landings" like everyone talked about. I took their advice and cranked in the trim. It requires a lot more than the 172 but only enough to feel like a 172...or comfortable..whichever comes first. I had done 3 landing in it in a previous local flight and all three were smooth as butter and right on centerline. This one was no different. The sight picture looks slightly different with a higher dash and flying a few knots faster on approach makes you think faster but I had no trouble landing main first followed by the nose. It's nowhere near as tricky to land as I was lead to believe. I taxied her back and shut down like every other flight I've done.

Flying is truly a dream come true and it may have its days but you know you belong when you get out of the airplane only to look back up at the skies eager to do it again.

Fly safe,
Tristan - "always appreciate the little things"

P.S. Oxygen masks make you sound like Darth Vader
 

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Great story! Thank you for sharing the words and photos. Those G1000 systems are amazing.
 
I was out doing airwork with a CFI in my T182T a few years ago. Typical summer day, big balls of cumulus getting in the way, but topping out around 7K. I said, why don't we just go above them. We were around 9500 when my CFI said "I've never been this high in a GA aircraft. Takes too long to get here in a 172!"
 
I was out doing airwork with a CFI in my T182T a few years ago. Typical summer day, big balls of cumulus getting in the way, but topping out around 7K. I said, why don't we just go above them. We were around 9500 when my CFI said "I've never been this high in a GA aircraft. Takes too long to get here in a 172!"

It's surprised me how many people have never been above 10,000 in a GA aircraft. In the summer, I'm typically at 6-7k in the Aztec (mainly because of no wind advantage and the engines get anemic), but in the winter you'll routinely see me at 11k, sometimes higher.

Of course, we're spoiled here on the eastern half of the country.
 
No kidding! At 6,000 MSL you would be underground at my house. :goofy:

It would be very impressive if I could do that. :)

Next week I'll have to be running up at some higher altitudes when I get to your neck of the woods for sure. I'll turn the revs up a bit since I can't turn the boost up. Maybe if I steal the turbos off of my Mitsubishi... ;)
 
very cool Tristan!

My first flight to FL250 in the 421 was pretty awesome too. Before I knew it I was doing it myself on a regular basis.

I generally cruise no lower than 6000 in the eastern US in 172's. I like smooth cool air, higher true airspeeds and lower fuel burn. Plus when full throttle <75% it makes the engine management a lot easier. But I usually am doing 200-350 mile flights.
 
What a great write up Tristan. I'm hoping that someday I can get to experience some of what you have described. Our home field is 4500ft. so I usually fly at 7500-8500 or 9500 out here. I actually did get the C152 up to 11,500 once! It took a while :-) but it was pretty nifty.

My husband used to take a Cessna TU206 (1969) up to 32,000 for mapping flights... it would pop a con trail at 28,000 every time and he has showed me a picture of it. It got to about -45* in the cabin so the pics of him he's wearing a parka.... He took a C185 to 33,000 same situation. You milked em up to those altitudes - he says you weren't flying you were sailing. He has great stories of the "good ol' days"

Hope you get to fly that 182 some more and tell us all about it some more!
 
I know how you feel. I love my T182T. Me and the family came home from Myrtle Beach this morning at 12500 doing 148 TAS. I would have gone higher but it is hard to keep O2 mask on a 2 and 6 yr old.
 
Great writeup. But...

It just didn't seem right. Cessnas aren't supposed to go that high. Yet oddly I was purely fascinated by the fact that Cessna truly designed such a craft. What would their designers have though 60 years ago if they had heard such a thing? ...

The 210, developed in the late 50's, had a service ceiling of just over 20,000ft. In 1965, they took a production T210 up to 34,000 ft. :thumbsup:
 
Great ride, isn't it?

I love flying up at FL190/FL200 when I can. The turbocharger makes all the difference in the world. Even in the 15,000-17,000 altitude range it's much better than down lower.
 
My husband used to take a Cessna TU206 (1969) up to 32,000 for mapping flights... it would pop a con trail at 28,000 every time and he has showed me a picture of it. It got to about -45* in the cabin so the pics of him he's wearing a parka.... He took a C185 to 33,000 same situation. You milked em up to those altitudes - he says you weren't flying you were sailing. He has great stories of the "good ol' days"
Your husband did mapping? So did I, although the highest I ever got in a Cessna TU206 was about 25,000. Personally I wasn't fond of flying that high because you need to suck on O2 for hours and like you said, it can get pretty cold. I remember the first time I flew a pressurized airplane, a King Air. I thought the greatest thing about it was that you didn't need to wear an O2 mask.
 
It's surprised me how many people have never been above 10,000 in a GA aircraft.

Seems to be a common theme. Last summer when I was doing a bunch of cross country flying in a DA40, I spent a ton of time up at 10-11K. Sometimes I did manage to pick up some tailwind, but more often than not, it was for cool air. Or to get on top, or try to get on top.
 
Reading that, and seeing the pictures is making it very difficult to wait to see if my Checkride will be Saturday or not!

Great writeup and pics!
 
Seems to be a common theme. Last summer when I was doing a bunch of cross country flying in a DA40, I spent a ton of time up at 10-11K. Sometimes I did manage to pick up some tailwind, but more often than not, it was for cool air. Or to get on top, or try to get on top.

Typically my reason for altitude is winds, and occasionally smoothness. Being in a layer doesn't bother me any. The DA40 I'd expect would perform better at higher altitudes than the Aztec. With the low power engines and a big fat wing, it feels the effects of the hot temps pretty quickly. Annoying since you want to be higher for cooler temps!
 
Great write-up. Sounds to me like you're having too much fun.

Highest I've flown - 13,000 MSL in a C-182 the day before my PP checkride. Crossing the Cascades is routinely 9500 MSL east bound and 10,500 MSL west bound, but I've also done that direction at 12,500 MSL in a 172. Not planning on being that high this afternoon running up to KFHR and back after work. Sightseeing is better down lower.
 
I've been above overcasts at 11,000, and over lake Mi at 12,500 in the 182, The highest I've ever been was 13,500 ish over Marfa, TX without an engine. The day didn't look all that promising so we didn't fill the O2 tank in the 1-36. I kinda regretted that when I hit the 1000+ fpm thermal over the greenhouse at about 7000'msl on tow.

It's quite a different experience to be above 10k when you usually plow arond in the 3-7000' range.
 
I do not understand flying low. I go as high as I can. Like the saying goes there is three things that will never help you. 1) Sky above you 2)gas on the ground 4)runway behind you
I am sure there are many more, and maybe a few exceptions
 
Typically my reason for altitude is winds, and occasionally smoothness. Being in a layer doesn't bother me any. The DA40 I'd expect would perform better at higher altitudes than the Aztec. With the low power engines and a big fat wing, it feels the effects of the hot temps pretty quickly. Annoying since you want to be higher for cooler temps!

Having flown both a DA-40 and an Aztec (on the same day no less), I'd agree 100% that the Diamond does better up high. But in the DA-40, I think the sweet spot for pure speed was somewhere around 7,000 feet. You lost a little bit of speed up high, but the fuel flows went down. Most of the time I was running WOT at 19 inches of manifold pressure, and could get the fuel flow down to probably 9.5 (rich of peak). Probably could have went LOP, but it was a wet rental.

Something you quickly realize about high altitude ops is ice is there all the time. While I didn't actually ice the DA-40, I got close. IFR on 4th of July last year, buzzing along at 12,000ft. Heard a Mesaba SF34 report ice at 14K, at which point I looked at the OAT, and realized it was a few degrees colder than the forecast was. Quickly went down, but it sure taught me a good lesson.
 
I do not understand flying low. I go as high as I can. Like the saying goes there is three things that will never help you. 1) Sky above you 2)gas on the ground 4)runway behind you
I am sure there are many more, and maybe a few exceptions

My engines run warm in the summer as-is, and get worse with altitude. I'm more concerned about keeping my engines healthy than about one of them failing (which, if it happens, I'll just keep flying on the other).

In most singles I've flown, though, flying high has been fine.
 
I do not understand flying low. I go as high as I can. Like the saying goes there is three things that will never help you. 1) Sky above you 2)gas on the ground 4)runway behind you
I am sure there are many more, and maybe a few exceptions

Depends on what you're doing....

Traveling from A to B? Then usually higher is better (unless your westbound 7 days out of 10).

Just flying around? All the interesting stuff is on the ground. :D
 
Heck My first trip to gaston's in 2008 was all below 2000' agl due to massively sucky headwinds on the way down. Watertower nav is a lot of fun on a trip like that :-)
 
Heck My first trip to gaston's in 2008 was all below 2000' agl due to massively sucky headwinds on the way down. Watertower nav is a lot of fun on a trip like that :-)

We used my Aztec as an oversized Cub in Chisasibi, flying around a couple hundred AGL just sight seeing around the James Bay. Great use of a plane.
 
I do not understand flying low. I go as high as I can. Like the saying goes there is three things that will never help you. 1) Sky above you 2)gas on the ground 4)runway behind you
I am sure there are many more, and maybe a few exceptions

I'd take 500 feet over FL200 any day, its far more beautiful to see each individual tree and see people mowing lawns etc.
 
I LOVE the 182 and I imagine a Turbo 182 would be close to perfect in my book.

I've had the RV up to 16,500' and usually do my xc flying >10k if wx allows. I have done some tree-top flying across Iowa when I worked with the crop-dusters. Each style has its purpose.
 
We always fly above FL200 eastbound. We had one trip at FL250 and 350 kts over the ground to MTN one winter, (our record). It was a low slow flight coming home. It's incredible what wind you find at the high altitudes and what kind of weather you can fly over on a 6 hour leg.

Kevin
 
Did you see me down there? I was the one chasing the T-38 around with a mighty C-150!

Sounds like fun!
 
You've got a way with words, Tristian. I've said it before and I'll say it again--you should be writing magazine articles. I'd look forward to finding those gems as a column each month.
 
Thanks everyone! I love writing about aviation. As I've told my students with landings, "it's not a science, it's an art!" Much is the same with writing. I've had two articles published in Flight Training and Sport Aviation in the past although it has been a while. I think people become pilots because of the adventure, fantasy, and "that could be me!" -itis. It's so much fun to describe flying the way it was meant to be.

p.s. I'm excited to say I was privileged to see another smile and thumbs up, another student joined the solo ranks today. Students solo all the time but I guarantee today's will be the most memorable in his book....and that's what counts.
 
I am glad he got an emotional high from being high... I am one of those 500 agl and lets go xc types... Lots more to sight see from that altitude...
 
No kidding! At 6,000 MSL you would be underground at my house. :goofy:

I may have mentioned this at Gaston's: when we went skiing at COS last year, we had to depressurize the cockpit because the cockpit was below MSL where we landed! That was a first and we got a big kick out of it <g>

Best,

Dave
 
I'll never forget the first time I took an OH-58 up to 12,000 in the NC National Guard. The fella with me (Vietnam War vet) had never been that high in his thousands of hours of flying. Was a bit worried about how long it would take to get down if something went wrong. Picked up a great tail wind and got over some weather. He didn't have an instrument ticket; so, it was all kinna new to him.

Best,

Dave
 
It's surprised me how many people have never been above 10,000 in a GA aircraft.
That would include me.

I've been right around 10K a fair amount, but never significantly over that I recall.

Never flown with O2, never flown over an overcast, never flown in actual instrument.
 
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