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gitmo234

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So a lot of people chimed in on my busted check ride. Thanks to all who did. I wanted to post an update here on flying out in Colorado.

I was very apprehensive to fly out here after my busted check ride. I have a tight schedule due to academics. Writing papers, learning physics and engineering, rocket propulsion, etc. All interesting stuff but it's my first exposure so I spend a good bit of time studying. Plus it's not my airplane so I need to re-familiarize with their model, and I've never even flow above 5k feet. Here we're at 6500 or so.

I was apprehensive enough that I actually cancelled one flight. Today I said forget it and decided I was flying.

The school had me set up with their head instructor and owner. That's good because this place has a ton of airplanes and they're are virtually all booked solid all the time but given the circumstances they decided it was best to go with the head instructor.

We met, he sat me down and had me talk through the check ride I had, where I went wrong, what I felt wasnt right, etc. Based on that he didn't say much yet and just said he would validate with a mock check ride. We went up, I performed some maneuvers. Did a handful of landings and went in to have a chat.

His words paraphrased were "Everything was satisfactory, sounds like to me there was a personality conflict or you may have been jerked around. I see where you said you felt like you needed to tighten up the steep turns, we'll work on that, but I'm going to schedule you a check ride for early next week. Lets fly another time or two before then and I'll have a talk with the examiner and let her know what's going on, you'll do just fine".

My opinion on it.... well I was glad i was validated a bit.. I can fly an airplane. Second, this guy is really, really good. I did the maneuvers to PTS standard, but he showed me a few things to refine things to way beyond PTS.

I did a steep turn, he said "good but let me help you clean it up" and demonstrated it flawlessly. But in a manner that almost made me say "duh". Everything I did he refined to make it that much better.

I was nervous, he relaxed me quite a bit. I felt like my flying improved greatly in just 1.3 hours.


That being said: he swore up and down there was virtually no difference (other than ground roll) in flying at this altitude. I swear it felt different on final. That may just be an illusion because I'm used to flying with a huge sight picture in my 172 and this newer model has a smaller windshield.
 
I'm glad to see someone was able to show you how to improve and was able to fly well themselves. I always enjoy flying with people better than myself so I can observe and learn.
 
I'm glad to see someone was able to show you how to improve and was able to fly well themselves. I always enjoy flying with people better than myself so I can observe and learn.

Thanks. This felt almost like natural progression. I was able to do it to standard, he was able to show me how to do it a little closer to perfect and in a way that was smoother than I've ever seen anyone fly
 
So you're here in the west. Which flight school are you flying with? Which university? CU?
 
Really glad to hear it is working out for you. Sometimes a checkride just doesn't go right for whatever reason. Git'er done and move on.
 
I, too, am curious who you are flying with here. It sounds a lot like my school (and I have no idea how many others in CO might be similar).

I'd guess you're flying out of KCOS and there's only one school with a lot of planes, and exceptional instructors.
 
c'mon - fess up! Which school, airport, instructer, etc ... no need to keep it secret! :)
 
For those that are semi-local I'll send via pm. I've had people take information I've mention from here and use it outside the forums.
 
Of course you felt faster on final. You are at 6500 feet or so. The air is less dense and you will go faster with slightly less drag to get the same airspeed reading. That is your ground speed is a little faster on final than it would be near sea level to get the same airspeed, so your ground roll will be a little longer as well.

Good luck to ya..... You are probably closer to finishing your checkride than you think.!!
 
Good luck and I'm glad things are working out better for you in my beautiful home state of Colorado.
 
Thanks again everyone. No flying today. Got to the run up area then the tower called out a microburst alert. Loss of 35 knots at the end of the runway.

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Thanks again everyone. No flying today. Got to the run up area then the tower called out a microburst alert. Loss of 35 knots at the end of the runway.

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welcome to Colorado...wait until you find one of those types of things on the base-to-final turn...
 
I read your story and feel for you. I'm glad you are ready to tackle this again and have a CFI that's helping you refine your skills a bit and build your confidence back up for the Checkride. I think a lot of other people would have made a big mistake and just called it quits after your experience. Looking forward to reading your Passed Checkride thread!
 
Thanks Wayne,

I'm fortunate enough to have a schedule out here that accommodates some training since I'm only in CO for a just over another week. This CFI said that based on what he's seen he's willing to fly outside his normal schedule to get me checked out because I'm ready.

So he's trying to get the DPE that he uses to to find a day to come by as early as this weekend or midway next week if possible.

He said he just wants a flight or three to refine some minor things and continue my familiarization with altitude and a newer 172. I'm feeling pretty good about it
 
Between KCOS and KFLY, there's two decent operations plus the PAFB aero club. I've flown with all three and wouldn't have qualms with any of them. I'm glad you're finding an op that's working with you in the little time you have available. Thursday evening/Friday morning look questionable this week, but otherwise you should be able to fit in several flights before next week. Good luck.


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Ive seen that a few times. Funny enough, one of those birds was at KCOS today picking up a glider.

The local weather said it should have been a big bumpy but okay, but on my way to the airport I saw what was coming over the mountains and could tell it was moving somewhat rapidly, so I had hunch the wind was gonna get out of control
 
Thanks again everyone. No flying today. Got to the run up area then the tower called out a microburst alert. Loss of 35 knots at the end of the runway.

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Chicken. Haha. Kidding.

welcome to Colorado...wait until you find one of those types of things on the base-to-final turn...


Yeah. I have been microbursted (is that a verb?) all the way to the runway, twice. I wouldn't recommend it as a leisure activity. Same day, both at KEIK. I had a CFI along who showed me just how frigging slow a Skyhawk can fly at full throttle and on one of them, just how hard they can smack into the pavement and how springy the landing gear can be.

The second one was a little softer but we both realized we were probably stupid to launch and go do it again...

The thunderstorm was over Boulder.

One of those days where you survived being stupid and learned something in the process.

And it all started with, "why don't you bring the power back, we're high"... "Ummm. It's at idle."

And a few seconds later you're at full throttle and the runway is still getting bigger in the windshield and the VSI is pointing down at somewhere around 1000.

I'll pass on a repeat session.

We waited quite a while between that and taking off again and got hammered again, a little less hard since the thing had moved a bit. (Or more likely dissipated and re-formed in the gust front out in front of the big cell slowly moving east from Boulder.)

CFI looks at me after the second one and says, "I think we're done for the day." "Yeah, I've had enough of that ****."

For a lifetime.
 
Thanks. This felt almost like natural progression. I was able to do it to standard, he was able to show me how to do it a little closer to perfect and in a way that was smoother than I've ever seen anyone fly

Can you describe this tip?
 
During my BFR at Denver Centennial about 5 years ago we launched into decent weather, but about an hour later microbursts planted themselves over the airport and stayed there for about 20 minutes. After watching a Gulfstream go around in front of us due to a 40-knot wind shear we decided to park ourselves in the practice area and wait it out until things calmed down.
 
During my BFR at Denver Centennial about 5 years ago we launched into decent weather, but about an hour later microbursts planted themselves over the airport and stayed there for about 20 minutes. After watching a Gulfstream go around in front of us due to a 40-knot wind shear we decided to park ourselves in the practice area and wait it out until things calmed down.

I was headed back to FTG from Wyoming a few years ago - listening to Denver approach and at one point they said they had jets going "everywhere" because of microbursts. I'm about 15 miles or so from FTG and see some perfectly round, expanding dust clouds. I went to Greeley and said that was all I wanted of that. The next day the Denver Post reported that an Excel substation had been damaged by a microburst...

On another occasion I was making the base-to-final turn for 11L at BJC when the bottom just fell out - immediate full throttle and pitched for best climb, still going down at 700 fpm and thought I was going to land short. Eventually the aircraft stopped descending and started climbing as I got further from that damned golf course (past the ridge top and sinking air).
 
Can you describe this tip?


I wouldnt call it a "tip" but more an adding of finesse. Basically, it was summed up in what he said. I can fly the plane, no doubt, and I was ready, but it could have been a whole lot smoother.

Wish I could tell more, but it was more the way he explained it. Counting, easy does it on some stuff, etc. I have a tendency, when not in my airplane, and in an unfamiliar environment or under scrutiny while flying, to get a bit rigid and jerky.

The view is different from my old 172, the controls are smoother, the plane behaves different and he helped take some of the edge off and go from "okay" to pretty good. I still dont think I'm super precision, but I'm more within standards than before.


Also, we've only flown once, we have several hours in between scheduled, but he's asked me to re-complete the IACRA so he can try and get me a check ride next week. He says he has someone who may come give me the ride
 
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When you said "she" about the DPE, I think all the locals know who that is. She's tough but fair. If it was personality and not knowledge that crashed the first attempt, you'll do fine.
 
This is going to probably not happen. So close! I have an approved iacra and was all set but all 3 airplanes are down for maintenance and will likely be for the duration of my stay in colorado (4 more days).
 
I learned to fly in a 152/172 up here at KFNL and learned how intense the winds can be and also how quick a simple situation can go from normal to life threatening. It has truly made me a better pilot in the long run. Similar to the above I have felt that sinking and loss of altitude at KBJC. no fun with two people and a high DA when it comes to that airport in certain situation. similar situations with the high winds in WY at KCYS
 
I also fly in Arizona and Alabama all the time, learning to fly up here has given me multiple levels of knowledge/experience I am not sure I would have learned in those places. Colorado is great and love the challenge presented with the field altitudes, high DA and snow/icing thrown into the mix.
 
So far flying in colorado has been somewhat helpful. The problem is, and I'm a little annoyed by this, is that I called ahead before coming to confirm how available it was and how well my plan would work.

Then I arrive and I either cant get time because the schedule is filled with a million intro flights from Groupons, maintenance or weather.

I've had about 10 hours scheduled and only gotten to fly 1.8 of them. Had I of known in advance it was this full i would have went to a school out of KFLY.

My frustration isnt purely directed at this place, because you cant blame them for wanting new, long term customers. Its been this way for a bit. Whether here or home, something always comes in the way...schedule, weather, maintenance, etc.

I've more or less had enough and I'm either taking 3 days off (around a weekend) and finishing up at home or I'm taking my a$$ to somewhere like florida to dedicate a week to it. Some place thats gonna give no excuses, have an airplane available, an instructor available and no issues with schedule (within their control) so I can finish it.

I've only got a handful of things to do on my notice, and I cant seem to get them in.

EDIT: Actually, the more I think about the more I'm actually pretty damn ****ed off.
 
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Groupon isn't going to get them long-term customers.

Be interesting to see their books.

Groupon at a flight school is usually a good sign they're in bad shape.

Especially if they're bouncing paying customers off of the hard schedule for Groupon flights.
 
I would guess they're in good shape, they have 9 airplanes that are usually booked pretty solid, the Groupons typically just fill up what few gaps were remaining. Either way, I'll be set when I get home.
 
I would guess they're in good shape, they have 9 airplanes that are usually booked pretty solid, the Groupons typically just fill up what few gaps were remaining. Either way, I'll be set when I get home.


Not understanding. If you're on the schedule there is no gap. Are you actually booking or just asking if there's an opening?
 
Most of the times I was on the schedule the airplanes went down for maintenance or the winds were too high. I was unable to get on the schedule most of the time because everyone or every plane was booked solid. 50% of the time it was a groupon intro flight.

I had something close to 10 hours reserved and got 1.8 hours of flight time.
 
Dang, I'm starting to feel ok about all my weather delays. The way this is going you and me oughta do our checkride the same day. Maybe we can get a group discount on the DPE.
 
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