United Flight Unexpected Diversion to Canada

[Lindberg]

Probably a Boeing aircraft.

And once upon a time, the crew would not have just bolted and left all the passengers sleeping on the floor.

United flight to Paris diverts to Newfoundland, passengers forced to sleep on benches and floor

Border agents in Gander, N.L., were unavailable or unwilling to process passengers on a diverted flight from Washington to Paris early Monday.

www.ctvnews.ca

Also, "Come from Away," is a very moving play.

 

[3393RP]

I wonder if this was related to the absence of Canada Border Services Agency agents.

Canadian Border-Agent Union Reaches Tentative Deal to Avoid Strike

www.morningstar.com

 

[kkoran]

If you think that's bad, a British Airways flight from London to Houston was over Canada when it turned around went back to London.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/houston-bound-british-airways-787-returns-london-nine-hours/

 

[Larry in TN]

Probably a Boeing aircraft.

And once upon a time, the crew would not have just bolted and left all the passengers sleeping on the floor.

According to the article, a 777.

The crew can not continue, with the replacement airplane, until they've had their required crew rest, which can not start until they leave the airport and reach a hotel. The operating airline contracts with a local airline to provide services for the passengers.

Canada's equivalent of our CBP made the decision to not process the passengers. That's out of the crew's, airport's and airline's hands. Normally, they would be processed and sent to hotels.

 

[Katamarino]

If you think that's bad, a British Airways flight from London to Houston was over Canada when it turned around went back to London.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/houston-bound-british-airways-787-returns-london-nine-hours/

And if you think *that's* bad - this one from Dubai to Auckland turned around and landed after 13 hours!

 

[catmandu]

We had friends on that United flight, finally getting around to a Covid delayed milestone anniversary trip.

Two hydraulic systems malfunctioned. They said the situation was unfortunate, but not unbearable.

 

[Jeff767]

Probably a Boeing aircraft.

And once upon a time, the crew would not have just bolted and left all the passengers sleeping on the floor.

United flight to Paris diverts to Newfoundland, passengers forced to sleep on benches and floor

Border agents in Gander, N.L., were unavailable or unwilling to process passengers on a diverted flight from Washington to Paris early Monday.

www.ctvnews.ca

Also, "Come from Away," is a very moving play.

That once upon a time you mention was prior to FAR117. The crew could not resume the flight until they entered rest at a suitable facility for a period of time. The quicker the crew gets to rest the sooner the fight can resume.

 

[Lindberg]

According to the article, a 777.

The crew can not continue, with the replacement airplane, until they've had their required crew rest, which can not start until they leave the airport and reach a hotel. The operating airline contracts with a local airline to provide services for the passengers.

Canada's equivalent of our CBP made the decision to not process the passengers. That's out of the crew's, airport's and airline's hands. Normally, they would be processed and sent to hotels.

That once upon a time you mention was prior to FAR117. The crew could not resume the flight until they entered rest at a suitable facility for a period of time. The quicker the crew gets to rest the sooner the fight can resume.

Does the captain's responsibility for the passengers end when they land? I would have expected him to advocate for them. It seems Canadian border control had the personnel but just didn't want to go to the trouble of processing them all for one night. Perhaps he tried. But the way the story reads, the crew peaced out and left them. And wouldn't the replacement aircraft come with a crew?

 

[jayhawk74]

Does the captain's responsibility for the passengers end when they land? I would have expected him to advocate for them. It seems Canadian border control had the personnel but just didn't want to go to the trouble of processing them all for one night. Perhaps he tried. But the way the story reads, the crew peaced out and left them. And wouldn't the replacement aircraft come with a crew?

It would have come with a crew but after flying in they might not be legal to depart. It would be better to put the original crew into rest immediately.

 

[Larry in TN]

Does the captain's responsibility for the passengers end when they land? I would have expected him to advocate for them. It seems Canadian border control had the personnel but just didn't want to go to the trouble of processing them all for one night. Perhaps he tried. But the way the story reads, the crew peaced out and left them. And wouldn't the replacement aircraft come with a crew?

It ends when the passengers are safely deplaned and handed over to the contracted customer service personnel. The Captain has no authority over the Canadian border control.

The replacement crew was on reserve so their duty-day is limited by the time that they started their reserve availability period. They may time-out before the original crew. Adding a second leg to the duty period further limits the allowable flight hours and duty period. 14 CFR 117 is where all of the requirements are listed. It isn't as simple as it was previously.

The longer the crew waits to enter rest, the longer it is before the flight can continue.