Uncontrolled, OH NO we are all going to die!!!!!!

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I heard a man speak about the use of the phrase.....Uncontrolled Airport, and how when one speaks about avaition, to the general public if they, general public, hear aviation and uncontrolled they, general public, picture a plane going into the ground like a dart.

This man says lets call these airport's "Pilot Controlled" for this is how we use them. The pilots are the ones in controll. :yesnod:

Fly Smart
 
1600vw said:
I heard a man speak about the use of the phrase.....Uncontrolled Airport, and how when one speaks about avaition, to the general public if they, general public, hear aviation and uncontrolled they, general public, picture a plane going into the ground like a dart.

This man says lets call these airport's "Pilot Controlled" for this is how we use them. The pilots are the ones in controll. :yesnod:
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What determines which pilot is in control when more than one pilot is operating at a "Pilot Controlled" airport?
 
Swampfox201 said:
The one on final. :)
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The pilot landing has priority, but a little common sense and courtesy goes a long way also. At my airfield I give the jump planes right of way. They have more people on board, and are on the clock. I'm usually flying for pleasure.
 
Geico266 said:
The pilot landing has priority, but a little common sense and courtesy goes a long way also. At my airfield I give the jump planes right of way. They have more people on board, and are on the clock. I'm usually flying for pleasure.
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I call bs "flying for pleasure". Look at all those states you've flow to, your on a mission! :lol:
 
One glove certainly doesn't fit all. As I've said, some of the tower closures will be non-events. I know at least one that I am certain will result in fatalities.
 
redtail said:
I say "non-towered", that sounds less scary:hairraise:
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That's also the basis for my response to those who have asked me about it: "Most airports are non-towered, and they operate using rules of the road that are known and understood by all pilots."

Admittedly, it's not a big issue around here because very few airports here have towers, so ordinary people understand that the absence of a tower doesn't mean that airplanes will suddenly start falling out of the sky. I imagine it would be a much harder thing for suburban soccer moms living in the outskirts of big cities to comprehend.

-Rich
 
1600vw said:
This man says lets call these airport's "Pilot Controlled" for this is how we use them. The pilots are the ones in control.
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It's inaccurate - in 700+ pages, the AIM only uses the term "pilot controlled" in reference to lighting. Pilots do not control the airport.

The AIM uses the term "uncontrolled" most often (~20 times) because that is the term. Nontowered is used in a few places (4 times).

I believe either uncontrolled or nontowered is correct. Pilot controlled is incorrect.
 
Geico266 said:
The pilot landing has priority, but a little common sense and courtesy goes a long way also. At my airfield I give the jump planes right of way. They have more people on board, and are on the clock. I'm usually flying for pleasure.
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Well, unless the jump plane is on fire, they're jumping for pleasure.
 
steingar said:
One glove certainly doesn't fit all. As I've said, some of the tower closures will be non-events. I know at least one that I am certain will result in fatalities.
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Which one? Why are you certain fatalities will result?
 
RJM62 said:
That's also the basis for my response to those who have asked me about it: "Most airports are non-towered, and they operate using rules of the road that are known and understood by all pilots."

Admittedly, it's not a big issue around here because very few airports here have towers, so ordinary people understand that the absence of a tower doesn't mean that airplanes will suddenly start falling out of the sky. I imagine it would be a much harder thing for suburban soccer moms living in the outskirts of big cities to comprehend.
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I don't see why ordinary people would have any more difficulty grasping the concept of an "uncontrolled airport" than an "uncontrolled intersection".
 
roncachamp said:
Which one? Why are you certain fatalities will result?
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KOSU. It is the busiest GA airport in Ohio, with lots of jet and piston traffic. Intense training activity along with the once-a-month flyers. Add to that the presence of 8 runways and a helipad and you have a potentially confusing situation. The residents of that area will finally get the juice to get the airport closure they've been seeking all these years when someone flames into some houses. And yes, I expect it to happen.
 
roncachamp said:
Well, unless the jump plane is on fire, they're jumping for pleasure.
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But its a commercial flight at that airport... One that I've been on too.:yes:



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roncachamp said:
I don't see why ordinary people would have any more difficulty grasping the concept of an "uncontrolled airport" than an "uncontrolled intersection".
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Because they have never heard of that comparrision before?
 
roncachamp said:
I don't see why ordinary people would have any more difficulty grasping the concept of an "uncontrolled airport" than an "uncontrolled intersection".
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My guess would be because of how the media reports plane crashes/emergencies. "uncontrolled" + "aviation" sounds scary:yikes: to non-pilots:rofl:
 
You enter the traffic pattern, announce bla bla bla, then wait to hear from? The gas station down the street? The guy driving to his hangar?

From what I have learned its either the plane on the runway, the man or woman on final or nothing because you are the only one around.

So I would have to agree with the man whom put on the webinar, its a pilot controlled enviroment.

Do we as pilots not controll more then just our airplanes? That is not a good way of thinking.

We talk about decision making skillls, maybe we need to address the way we think skills. If you believe you are only in controll of your airplane you are falling short, so to speak.

Fly Smart
 
Skylane81E said:
I just say that with out a tower an airport operates like an intersection with a stop sign vs a towered field that has a traffic cop
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I've seen Compton run smooth and tight with a lot of students in the patterns.
 
Henning said:
Proximity to the threshold? Same as we do today?
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Let's see, a guy on downwind could be closer to the threshold than a guy on final. The guy on downwind would have control and could use it to order the guy on final to go around. That's not the way we're supposed to do it today.
 
Skylane81E said:
I just say that with out a tower an airport operates like an intersection with a stop sign vs a towered field that has a traffic cop
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Same analogy I use. People usually get it.

Sometimes it can get really crazy at my home airport. We have a single runway with no tower, but we're really busy--busier than the two Class Ds nearby, if the Airnav stats are to be believed. At one point I was coming back from a sightseeing flight, and there were three airplanes in the patter, and within about two minutes, three more airplanes called that they were entering the pattern.
 
I don't think the general public knows or cares whether small airports have towers, that is if they are aware that these airports exist at all.
 
Everskyward said:
I don't think the general public knows or cares whether small airports have towers, that is if they are aware that these airports exist at all.
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The airport back in SC I did most of my training at and has jet traffic and plenty of training/local GA was referred to by several of my friends as "that abandoned airport downtown." Unfortunately, flying to most of my generation means taking the death tube. I really don't think most people would care if the towers went away (outside the GA community) because they think that if it's not a major airport it probably doesn't warrant a tower.
 
Everskyward said:
I don't think the general public knows or cares whether small airports have towers, that is if they are aware that these airports exist at all.
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The vast majority of the public has no idea that these airports exist. I run a station occasionally at the Air and Space museum where I walk visitors through a sectional, and they are always really surprised at how many airports there actually are.
 
steingar said:
KOSU. It is the busiest GA airport in Ohio, with lots of jet and piston traffic. Intense training activity along with the once-a-month flyers. Add to that the presence of 8 runways and a helipad and you have a potentially confusing situation. The residents of that area will finally get the juice to get the airport closure they've been seeking all these years when someone flames into some houses. And yes, I expect it to happen.
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OSU is very busy. I fly into there a few times a year. Not unusual to be told to expect one runway and then get shuffled to a different one by the time you're downwind. Jets, props and helicopters coming from every compass point. Everything from students to law enforcement to businessmen to government personnel. The only thing it lacks is regularly scheduled passenger service.
 
Non-towered airports are great places for PICs to practice finding ways to courteously let the other pilot do their thing, such as land first, etc....
 
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