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Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO) also pushed Grusch on some of these statements. "You've said the U.S. has intact spacecraft. You said that the government has alien bodies or alien species. Have you seen the spacecraft? [...] Have you seen any of the bodies?" Burlison asked.

"That's not something I have witnessed myself," Grusch replied. But he answered a subsequent question by stating definitively that, when it comes to UAP crash retrievals, "biologics came with some of these recoveries." Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) pushed Grusch if he meant human or non-human. "Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to," Grusch replied.

Grusch added in response to a later question from Burchett that he is aware of "reverse-engineering programs for non-terrestrial craft."
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UFO whistleblower tells Congress the US government is hiding evidence of 'non-human intelligence'

"The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence and unexplainable phenomena."
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All three witnesses — former fighter pilot Ryan Graves of Americans for Safe Airspace, former intelligence official David Grusch and former Navy pilot David Fravor — said UAPs “potentially” pose a risk.
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UFO hearing live updates: Lawmakers, witnesses accuse Pentagon of ‘cover up’

The House Oversight subcommittee on national security spent the morning hearing from witnesses who pushed for more transparency in how the government handles reports of unidentified anomalous pheno…
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Difficult to search for intelligent life when we don't even have it on Earth.....

My skepticism is pretty high on this. First, of course, there's the old light-speed limit. Admittedly, there could be some non-Einsteinian physics out there that would enable warp drives, worm-hole travel, etc. But we've really seen no sign of it.

Second, there's the massive vanity involved in thinking that "civilization" on Earth would somehow be of interest to an extraterrestrial intelligence. Why would they bother with us? If their technology is so much more than ours, why are we seeing them at all?

Of course, there's ALWAYS this...
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Third, of course, all the testimony this week has been "hearsay"...people who have been TOLD such events have happened, but actually haven't witnessed them themselves. Where are the Snowdens of the UAP world? The Teixeiras? The Ellsbergs? Obviously, the person that slips a Phaser into his pocket and shows up at the New York Times is going to be huge news, and probably eventually extremely rich. With all the people willing to leak "normal" classified data over the last century, where is the person that'll take point on publicizing the biggest story since the dawn o' time?

Certainly, some secrets have stayed under cover for a while, like the way the US and Britain violated the Geneva Accords during WWII. But in those cases, the people involved recognized the harm that would result from security breaches, and, indeed, how a release of such information could cause "Exceptionally grave damage" to the security of the US. Hard to put the revelation of extraterrestial life in the same category.

Also, there are other countries in the world. Countries which, one would assume, collect the same data themselves, and would NOT be restricted by limits the US Government puts on the information. Or are UFOs not interested in places like Botswana? Are we being incredibly vain again in believing the UFOs only fly over the US?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
Difficult to search for intelligent life when we don't even have it on Earth.....

My skepticism is pretty high on this. First, of course, there's the old light-speed limit. Admittedly, there could be some non-Einsteinian physics out there that would enable warp drives, worm-hole travel, etc. But we've really seen no sign of it.

Second, there's the massive vanity involved in thinking that "civilization" on Earth would somehow be of interest to an extraterrestrial intelligence. Why would they bother with us? If their technology is so much more than ours, why are we seeing them at all?

Of course, there's ALWAYS this...
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Third, of course, all the testimony this week has been "hearsay"...people who have been TOLD such events have happened, but actually haven't witnessed them themselves. Where are the Snowdens of the UAP world? The Teixeiras? The Ellsbergs? Obviously, the person that slips a Phaser into his pocket and shows up at the New York Times is going to be huge news, and probably eventually extremely rich. With all the people willing to leak "normal" classified data over the last century, where is the person that'll take point on publicizing the biggest story since the dawn o' time?

Certainly, some secrets have stayed under cover for a while, like the way the US and Britain violated the Geneva Accords during WWII. But in those cases, the people involved recognized the harm that would result from security breaches, and, indeed, how a release of such information could cause "Exceptionally grave damage" to the security of the US. Hard to put the revelation of extraterrestial life in the same category.

Also, there are other countries in the world. Countries which, one would assume, collect the same data themselves, and would NOT be restricted by limits the US Government puts on the information. Or are UFOs not interested in places like Botswana? Are we being incredibly vain again in believing the UFOs only fly over the US?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Ron Wanttaja
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Who, why, what. Who is conducting the investigation. Why are they doing it. What is their agenda.
 
trying to distract us from OSH?
 
Bob Noel said:
trying to distract us from OSH?
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:goofy:

Like Ron , I kinda got a high bar as well. The recorded sightings on video from military aircraft are intriguing for sure. All old news.
Short of that it was pretty disappointing. If you ever sat for a deposition or been a " Whistle blower" , you are normally expected to have names, dates, specific information that is verifiable. Why blow the whistle if you aren't going to hand over names?
 
midwestpa24 said:
What is this a distraction from? That is the question you should really ponder.
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The judges also would have accepted election year clickbait / user engagement maximizer.
 
I remain a skeptic. I know a seemingly intelligent guy who says he smelled a Bigfoot once. The human mind is a very fertile garden, I’m going with that.

‘Common sense’ would say, if they were so advanced to get here, why sneak around? They could boldly introduce themselves, state their demands. That could be done in broad daylight, Dulles airport.
 
sourdough44 said:
‘Common sense’ would say, if they were so advanced to get here, why sneak around? They could boldly introduce themselves, state their demands. That could be done in broad daylight, Dulles airport.
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Never done any hunting, have you? :)

Camo, blinds, silence, stealth. Don’t want to spook your prey. Can’t alert the herd.

Long pig might be quite tasty to the good ol’ boys from Alpha Centauri.....
 
sourdough44 said:
‘Common sense’ would say, if they were so advanced to get here, why sneak around? They could boldly introduce themselves, state their demands. That could be done in broad daylight, Dulles airport.
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Dulles is in the SFRA; they'd likely choose less complicated airspace to reduce task saturation during First Contact.
 
Here are some statistics for you to consider.

92% of all UFO reports are in the United States.
The United States makes up 1.8% of the Earth's surface.

If an alien species throws a dart at the map of the planet, what are the odds they would end up in the US?
 
midwestpa24 said:
Here are some statistics for you to consider.

92% of all UFO reports are in the United States.
The United States makes up 1.8% of the Earth's surface.

If an alien species throws a dart at the map of the planet, what are the odds they would end up in the US?
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Not that I believe any of this UFO nonsense, but if a species is sufficiently advanced to conquer intergalactic travel, they probably would be smart enough to observe us for a while and figure out who to deal with. The US would likely be on a short list of super powers they would make contact with first. If you’re making first contact, probably want to deal with the movers and shakers and not say the Prince of Monaco.

But this is all moot because this is all just steam (not even smoke).
 
I dunno :dunno: , it reminded me of watching To Tell the Truth. Much ado about dust on camera lenses. I think one looked like a kite flown from the stern of a boat by a sailor.
 
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AKiss20 said:
Not that I believe any of this UFO nonsense, but if a species is sufficiently advanced to conquer intergalactic travel, they probably would be smart enough to observe us for a while and figure out who to deal with. The US would likely be on a short list of super powers they would make contact with first. If you’re making first contact, probably want to deal with the movers and shakers and not say the Prince of Monaco.

But this is all moot because this is all just steam (not even smoke).
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It is all BS and fearmongering. Perhaps another way of extracting money from tax payers.
 
wanttaja said:
Difficult to search for intelligent life when we don't even have it on Earth.....

My skepticism is pretty high on this. First, of course, there's the old light-speed limit. Admittedly, there could be some non-Einsteinian physics out there that would enable warp drives, worm-hole travel, etc. But we've really seen no sign of it.

Second, there's the massive vanity involved in thinking that "civilization" on Earth would somehow be of interest to an extraterrestrial intelligence. Why would they bother with us? If their technology is so much more than ours, why are we seeing them at all?
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Just because WE haven't figured out a way around it, doesn't mean another civilization hasn't. Go back a mere 250 years (out of the 150,000 or so years humans have been modern) and look at all the impossible stuff we have now. And that's only 0.17% of our existence. Why would we see a sign of something we have no idea how to detect? How would the Pilgrims detected radio waves, digital transmission, etc...

Why wouldn't we be of interest? We have entire fields dedicated to the study of unintelligent species, or much less intelligent than us. Everything from the study of prokaryotes (pretty sure they don't detect us) to chimps and gorillas (they do).

sourdough44 said:
I remain a skeptic. I know a seemingly intelligent guy who says he smelled a Bigfoot once. The human mind is a very fertile garden, I’m going with that.

‘Common sense’ would say, if they were so advanced to get here, why sneak around? They could boldly introduce themselves, state their demands. That could be done in broad daylight, Dulles airport.
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Why sneak around? Maybe they have a prime directive like in Star Trek? Could be any number of reasons they sneak around, and occasionally slip up and get detected. (Go watch the next generation episode Who Watches the Watchers)

midwestpa24 said:
Here are some statistics for you to consider.

92% of all UFO reports are in the United States.
The United States makes up 1.8% of the Earth's surface.

If an alien species throws a dart at the map of the planet, what are the odds they would end up in the US?
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We did a lot of nuclear testing on United States soil. No so much in Western Europe. Maybe there's some signal given off by nukes that we don't know about but is detectable, and that is some sort of benchmark for us to be looked at. Or hell, maybe we've been watched from afar for millennia because of...well...who knows what reason? Why do we study bacteria, or birds, or fish, or pick a species? First nuke was set off in New Mexico. We put the first people on the moon. A lot of reasons the US could be a focal point.

Or it could be nothing, and someone looking for attention and going along with what sounds cool.
 
Government investigations in to UFOs are not a new thing, nor have they been specific to the premise of alien visitation.

Do I believe in UFOs? Yes. Do I believe we are or have been visited by alien spacemen? While I don't discount the possibility that we are not alone in the universe, there is just a complete lack of any physical evidence of such. We hear stories of alien bodies. Where are they? We hear stories of crashed spacecraft, yet no one bothered to save even a fragment of debris? On to the next hot topic....
 
Sac Arrow said:
Government investigations in to UFOs are not a new thing, nor have they been specific to the premise of alien visitation.

Do I believe in UFOs? Yes. Do I believe we are or have been visited by alien spacemen? While I don't discount the possibility that we are not alone in the universe, there is just a complete lack of any physical evidence of such. We hear stories of alien bodies. Where are they? We hear stories of crashed spacecraft, yet no one bothered to save even a fragment of debris? On to the next hot topic....
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Well there's also laptops that some people in government say don't exist that actually exist, so there is that too.
 
EdFred said:
Why would we see a sign of something we have no idea how to detect?
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EdFred said:
Why wouldn't we be of interest? We have entire fields dedicated to the study of unintelligent species, or much less intelligent than us.
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Combine those two thoughts together and consider it for a moment.

We study dolphins. Are they aware they're being studied? Do they share information with other dolphins about how they're being studied? Same questions for apes. Or any number of species.

When we study other species, we try not to disturb their natural behavior. We take precautions to observe without alerting them to our presence. In the highly improbable case where extraterrestrials are studying us, might they not do the same thing? And if they're so highly advanced, might they not be able to hide themselves much better than we're able to detect?

But personally, I think the odds are higher that Elvis and Bigfoot are piloting flying saucers.
 
Half Fast said:
Combine those two thoughts together and consider it for a moment.

We study dolphins. Are they aware they're being studied? Do they share information with other dolphins about how they're being studied? Same questions for apes. Or any number of species.

When we study other species, we try not to disturb their natural behavior. We take precautions to observe without alerting them to our presence. In the highly improbable case where extraterrestrials are studying us, might they not do the same thing? And if they're so highly advanced, might they not be able to hide themselves much better than we're able to detect?

But personally, I think the odds are higher that Elvis and Bigfoot are piloting flying saucers.
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They might. We haven't cracked the dolphins language, and they definitely have one. Who knows what they are telling each other. And we don't always maintain a non-disturbing presence through study - sometimes even intentionally.

As far as detection, mistakes happen. Go watch the episode mentioned.
 
wanttaja said:
Difficult to search for intelligent life when we don't even have it on Earth.....

My skepticism is pretty high on this. First, of course, there's the old light-speed limit. Admittedly, there could be some non-Einsteinian physics out there that would enable warp drives, worm-hole travel, etc. But we've really seen no sign of it.

Second, there's the massive vanity involved in thinking that "civilization" on Earth would somehow be of interest to an extraterrestrial intelligence. Why would they bother with us? If their technology is so much more than ours, why are we seeing them at all?

Of course, there's ALWAYS this...
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Third, of course, all the testimony this week has been "hearsay" . . . like the way the US and Britain violated the Geneva Accords during WWII. But in those cases, the people involved recognized the harm that would result from security breaches, and, indeed, how a release of such information could cause "Exceptionally grave damage" to the security of the US . . .

Ron Wanttaja
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Wasn't the Geneva Accord signed after the Korean War? How do you violate something that hadn't been drafted yet?
 
SoonerAviator said:
Wasn't the Geneva Accord signed after the Korean War? How do you violate something that hadn't been drafted yet?
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In international law and diplomacy the term convention refers to an international agreement, or treaty.
 
Have you seen the former mayor of Chicago? Tell me she isn’t an alien


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Half Fast said:
And if they're so highly advanced, might they not be able to hide themselves much better than we're able to detect?
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Well ... shouldn't they be able to build, fly, and land a spaceship on earth without crashing it and causing all that ruckus in Roswell? :eek:
 
EdFred said:
In international law and diplomacy the term convention refers to an international agreement, or treaty.
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"The singular term Geneva Convention usually denotes the agreements of 1949, negotiated in the aftermath of the Second World War (1939–1945), which updated the terms of the two 1929 treaties and added two new conventions." I just wasn't sure which item you were referring to.
 
SoonerAviator said:
"The singular term Geneva Convention usually denotes the agreements of 1949, negotiated in the aftermath of the Second World War (1939–1945), which updated the terms of the two 1929 treaties and added two new conventions." I just wasn't sure which item you were referring to.
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I wasn't referring to any, I was just pointing out it existed in some fashion before Korea.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Wasn't the Geneva Accord signed after the Korean War? How do you violate something that hadn't been drafted yet?
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Thanks! Interesting bit of trivia. I obviously should have referred to the Geneva Convention(s).

The violation I was referring to was the US and Great Britain sending escape equipment (money, maps, forged documents, etc.) to POWs in German hidden in humanitarian equipment (sports gear, board games, etc.). It came out in the '70s.

How Monopoly Games Helped Allied POWs Escape During World War II

Even trivial changes to a trivial board game can shift the course of history.
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Ron Wanttaja
 
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wanttaja said:
Thanks! Interesting bit of trivia. I obviously should have referred to the Geneva Convention(s).

The violation I was referring to was the US and Great Britain sending escape equipment (money, maps, board games, forged documents, etc.) to POWs in German hidden in humanitarian equipment (sports gear, etc.). It came out in the '70s.

How Monopoly Games Helped Allied POWs Escape During World War II

Even trivial changes to a trivial board game can shift the course of history.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

Ron Wanttaja
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Very cool tidbit of history.
 
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