TSA: Resistance is Futile

mikea said:
It must be in the law. The TSA always gets the last word, even as we can be certain that the words get dumber and dumber:
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...but she was allowed to fly the next day.

So what, her butt changed?

These morons have got to be stopped.
 
Palmpilot said:
What's odd is how many people apparently believe that without doing any fact-checking.
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There is a video (played repeatedly on the 6 o'clock news) of two people walking thru the security check point wearing burkas. Neither one showed ID or their faces. They then boarded an Air Canada flight.
 
chambers said:
There is a video (played repeatedly on the 6 o'clock news) of two people walking thru the security check point wearing burkas. Neither one showed ID or their faces. They then boarded an Air Canada flight.
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SCCutler said:
...but she was allowed to fly the next day.

So what, her butt changed?

These morons have got to be stopped.
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Someone seems to agree with you Spike ( I know you're not used to that :)).

As frustration grows, airports consider ditching TSA in the Washington Post:Quote:
Rep. John L. Mica (R-Fla.), the incoming chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, has written to 200 of the nation's largest airports, urging them to consider switching to private companies.

The TSA was "never intended to be an army of 67,000 employees," he said.

"If you look at [the TSA's] performance, have they ever stopped a terrorist? Anyone can get through," Mica said in an interview. "We've been very lucky, very fortunate. TSA should focus on its mission: setting up the protocol, adapting to the changing threats and gathering intelligence."


Best,

Dave
 
chambers said:
There is a video (played repeatedly on the 6 o'clock news) of two people walking thru the security check point wearing burkas. Neither one showed ID or their faces. They then boarded an Air Canada flight.
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Did they go through a metal detector? Did their luggage go through the x-ray machine? Was their treatment more lenient than other passengers at that gate? Was their treatment determined by an agreement from the TSA to "exempt from search or scan people who claim to practice" a particular religion?
 
More evidence emerging that that Constitution supporters are considered threats

Please comment on this article at Canada Free Press

Douglas J. Hagmann, Director & Judi McLeod, Founding Editor, Canada Free Press

23 December 2010: A report published today by Kurt Nimmo states that a Department of Homeland Security fusion center in Florida conducted surveillance on Ron Paul supporters and other political groups. A law enforcement sensitive bulletin dated 4 June 2010, issued by the Central Florida Intelligence Exchange, identified one event hosted by Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty that was subjected to official intelligence monitoring by that arm of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Mr. Nimmo notes that the Central Florida Intelligence Exchange was established with the assistance of an $850,000 Department of Homeland Security grant, which is your tax dollars at work. The center is specifically tasked with looking for terrorist leads............

more here: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/4388

This article also mentions that gun owners and those who support the constitution may also be domestic terrorists. Don't they know how silly they look?

And here: TSA Christmas memo defies facts
By Douglas J. Hagmann, Director & Joe Hagmann, Research Specialist

30 December 2010: A memorandum dated 24 December 2010 signed by TSA Director John Pistole and Deputy Administrator Gale Rossides was sent to all Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents, praising the advances made by the TSA this year. Not all federal agents who received this memo were in agreement with the reported strides made by the TSA as Pistole alleges, with some calling the memo “pure propaganda” and “boldly inaccurate.” One problem, according to the federal officials interviewed about this memo, is that Pistole and Rossides misrepresented the facts to his employees about the public support the TSA has received about their enhanced screening procedures.

The TSA, an agency that never stopped an attack on any airline in its nine year history, nonetheless boasted to its employees that they kept air travel safe in 2010. In particular, Pistole expressed pride in the “outpouring of support” from the public over the Thanksgiving holiday and in the professional manner in which the TSA workforce handled the national “opt-out” day, a day when many air travelers planned protests of the enhanced passenger screening procedures.

Specifically, a significant number of air travelers selected the day before Thanksgiving to refuse screening by the new “AIT” (Advanced Imaging Technology) scanners or subjected to enhanced pat-downs, in order to send a message to the TSA that they’ve gone too far. As excerpted from the memo, Pistole and Rossides praised TSA agent’s with getting passengers through the screening process without incident and safely to their destination......

more:http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/4411

And finally here, TSA opt outs on a "list" maintained by the TSA:

Taking names, Napolitano style
Please comment on this article at Canada Free Press

By Doug Hagmann

21 December 2010: Did you see the Washington Post this morning? That was the one sentence e-mail I received yesterday from my DHS contact who alerted me to the DHS/TSA memorandum about the domestic intelligence agency’s creating and maintaining a list of individuals who were determined to be “interfering” with the enhanced airport TSA screening procedures through their objections or “opting out” of such procedures.

In my November 23rd report titled DHS making a list, checking it twice, I wrote that the DHS, through the arm of the TSA, under the direction of Napolitano and with the full consent of Obama, was collecting the names and personal information of such individuals, labeling them as potential “domestic extremists.” Meanwhile, the very same agency was busily averting an uprising by air travelers and a potential public relations nightmare by temporarily suspending their draconian security measures during one of the busiest travel times of the year.

more here: http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/4364

Best,

Dave
 
Dave Siciliano said:
... In particular, Pistole expressed pride in the “outpouring of support” from the public over the Thanksgiving holiday and in the professional manner in which the TSA workforce handled the national “opt-out” day, a day when many air travelers planned protests of the enhanced passenger screening procedures.

Specifically, a significant number of air travelers selected the day before Thanksgiving to refuse screening by the new “AIT” (Advanced Imaging Technology) scanners or subjected to enhanced pat-downs, in order to send a message to the TSA that they’ve gone too far. As excerpted from the memo, Pistole and Rossides praised TSA agent’s with getting passengers through the screening process without incident and safely to their destination......

” Meanwhile, the very same agency was busily averting an uprising by air travelers and a potential public relations nightmare by temporarily suspending their draconian security measures during one of the busiest travel times of the year.
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Ya wonder if at least one of the gate numbskulls realized that the congratulations was the ultimate in phony, being that they knew they had turned off the scanners?
 
Years ago, back when Jesse "The Body" was running the show, I was in the airport in Minneapolis and saw some t-shirts for sale. One said, "Our governor can kick your governor's ***".
 
This makes me happy. I'll cheer him on, and hopefully he'll win. It takes someone in his sort of position to do something like this.
 
Early this week I opted out of the porno scan and opted for the molestation scan. Once set aside I asserted my right to a private room for the molestation. After getting rubbed off, I was told to wait while the agent scanned the gloves. Once he returned he demanded my I.D. and documented the fact I opted out and exercised my right to a private molestation on some government form. Why do I believe my days of airline travel have just been dramatically reduced?
 
pilot_dude said:
Early this week I opted out of the porno scan and opted for the molestation scan. Once set aside I asserted my right to a private room for the molestation. After getting rubbed off, I was told to wait while the agent scanned the gloves. Once he returned he demanded my I.D. and documented the fact I opted out and exercised my right to a private molestation on some government form. Why do I believe my days of airline travel have just been dramatically reduced?
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Is that SOP now too? Demanding I.D. when you opt out? Great.
 
pilot_dude said:
Early this week I opted out of the porno scan and opted for the molestation scan. Once set aside I asserted my right to a private room for the molestation. After getting rubbed off, I was told to wait while the agent scanned the gloves. Once he returned he demanded my I.D. and documented the fact I opted out and exercised my right to a private molestation on some government form. Why do I believe my days of airline travel have just been dramatically reduced?
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nddons said:
Is that SOP now too? Demanding I.D. when you opt out? Great.
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This just proved in court and ruled by a jury - without a single word of evidence from the plaintiff - The TSA has no authority to detain you or arrest you and no authority to demand that you present ID.

All it will take for you to remind them and the local police of that fact is a few $10,000s in legal fees. http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2011/01/22/phil-mocek-found-not-guilty-by-albuquerque-jury/
[Look for every member of that jury to be placed on the TSA "additional screening" list.]

(The airlines can set a policy that you must present an ID, the police can demand ID if you're subject to arrest and the airport management can tell you to leave, although I wonder how far a government management arm can go in refusing you access to a publicly-owned transport facility.)
 
Jim Logajan said:
Marcus Licinius Crassus: In every city and province, lists of the disloyal have been compiled. Tomorrow they will learn the cost of their terrible folly... their treason.
Gracchus: And where does my name appear on the list of disloyal enemies of the state?
Marcus Licinius Crassus: First.
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Nice! I thought Crassus was born after both Gracchus brothers were killed. :confused:

IIRC: 2nd century Roman Republic (economy, discipline, endurance, military glory) about a century before the Roman Empire (power, greed, indulgence) took over. The Gracchus reforms were to take back the land from the rich who gave land to soldiers and return it to the common people. Of course the people in charge were now the owners of said procured lands and didn't want their rightfully stolen property taken from them by the original owners. Tiberius got in their faces with the support of the people. In response, Tiberius and several hundred of his supporters got their brains beaten out for trying to do what was right.

The problem with learning from history is seeing the connections that caused things to happen in the first place..then having that information around where people can find it easily 22 centuries later.
 
From AOPA today, Springfield, MO (KSGF) wants to opt out of the TSA entirely: link. Good luck to 'em.
 
mikea said:
(The airlines can set a policy that you must present an ID, the police can demand ID if you're subject to arrest and the airport management can tell you to leave,
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Close. The airport police can demand ID for a number of lawful reasons including that activity for which the ID was issued (area access, driving, etc.); while conducting an investigation of an alleged crime; reasonable suspicion that you are involved in potential criminal conduct.

although I wonder how far a government management arm can go in refusing you access to a publicly-owned transport facility.)
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IMO that horse has left the barn and gone on down the trail quite a ways.

Also, I agree with the sentiment of the post, and mostly with the content of the linked blog post. But the case only means something to that particular defendant, there is no precedent set. Even if there was, it would only be for Albuquerque. And it is notable that the three points he makes in the post (you can film, you don't need ID, TSA has no right to detain you) might be true in most airports, but in SOME airports there are LOCAL criminal laws AGAINST filming in a checkpoint area, enforceable by the police department. San Diego being one disgraceful example.
 
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fgcason said:
Nice! I thought Crassus was born after both Gracchus brothers were killed. :confused:
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I think Hollywood (or Howard Fast, not sure who is responsible) probably felt that since it was ~2000 years ago, they lived approximately at the same time (even if one died 50 years before the events depicted.) I suspect that two thousand years from now some fictional account may depict a clash between Hitler and Obama. :wink2:
 
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I'm a littel surprised today's Dilbert wasn't posted here:
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I wonder if Scott Adams had to fly commercial recently...
 
Bob Noel said:
But he's on the list now...
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The TSA doesn't retaliate:
And finally, to address the comments that expressed concerns about screening in retaliation for voicing complaints about TSA: it is not TSA's policy to subject anyone to additional screening because of their political views or complaints about the screening process. However, threatening a security officer may trigger additional screening.
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http://blog.tsa.gov/2008/02/and-now-word-from-our-lawyers.html

We all know everything the TSA says is true :)
 
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/01/29/tsa.private/index.html?hpt=T2

Not to be outdone by anyone on the dumb-o-meter, the administrator of the TSA has "decided" that private screening will not be allowed to spread.
Now that we all can sleep better knowing dumb-o the government official is on the job, maybe they can find at least one terrorist to catch, to make this all worth while.
 
Edit - okay, this is my new record for dumbest post. I post the exact same link as the poster immediately before me posted - two days ago.:redface::redface:

Never mind. (from AvWeb)

chucky said:
From AOPA today, Springfield, MO (KSGF) wants to opt out of the TSA entirely: link. Good luck to 'em.
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Florida Cracker said:
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Not to be outdone by anyone on the dumb-o-meter, the administrator of the TSA has "decided" that private screening will not be allowed to spread.
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Your puny laws that created the DHS and the TSA are no match for the power of the almighty DHS and the TSA!

(The very congressman who wrote the law creating the TSA was encouraging airports to opt out as he put into the law.)
 
I had a pal use his Tx CCL as ID at a security checkpoint last weekend. It was refused, the reason given was that 'we only accept government issued ID'. Apparently the screener thinks a private group processes these? He was told that he could use a Tx Drivers License or a passport. He did not see the difference between the DL and the CCL, both are issued by the state, no?
They added that they can't use a CCL also because the holder is the one that provides the photo. My pal said, 'um, and who provides the photo when you apply for a passport?' They apparently didn't know or care, "them's the rules".
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
I had a pal use his Tx CCL as ID at a security checkpoint last weekend. It was refused, the reason given was that 'we only accept government issued ID'. Apparently the screener thinks a private group processes these? He was told that he could use a Tx Drivers License or a passport. He did not see the difference between the DL and the CCL, both are issued by the state, no?
They added that they can't use a CCL also because the holder is the one that provides the photo. My pal said, 'um, and who provides the photo when you apply for a passport?' They apparently didn't know or care, "them's the rules".
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Technically, the TSA isn't even supposed to accept U.S. Government employee IDs, even though they're issued by.... wait for it... the US Government.
 
wsuffa said:
Technically, the TSA isn't even supposed to accept U.S. Government employee IDs, even though they're issued by.... wait for it... the US Government.
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I used mine a couple times to see what would happen. No problem, they actually seemed to acknowledge a fellow Fed. But it is not on the list of approved IDs even though it meets all DHS requirements. Such BS, glad I could retire.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
I had a pal use his Tx CCL as ID at a security checkpoint last weekend. It was refused, the reason given was that 'we only accept government issued ID'. Apparently the screener thinks a private group processes these? He was told that he could use a Tx Drivers License or a passport. He did not see the difference between the DL and the CCL, both are issued by the state, no?
They added that they can't use a CCL also because the holder is the one that provides the photo. My pal said, 'um, and who provides the photo when you apply for a passport?' They apparently didn't know or care, "them's the rules".
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Just a side note, some concealed carry permits don't meet the requirements for an acceptable ID because they don't have the bearer's signature. Never mind that the bearer has been the subject of (some sort of) background check at the state, federal, and, at least in the case of Colorado, at the county level.

Sort of an interesting situation: a person can be "officially" trusted to carry a loaded and concealed handgun but they can't be trusted to board an airliner.
 
Gotta LOVE this website.

In other news, the TSA has responded to someone's FOIA request by asking that person to "define 'complaint'" (the requestor apparently asked for all complaints about the TSA procedures).
 
wsuffa said:
Technically, the TSA isn't even supposed to accept U.S. Government employee IDs, even though they're issued by.... wait for it... the US Government.
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I can attest to that. I tried to use my Department of Homeland Security ID once. The TSA refused it and wanted my non-RealID compliant drivers license.
 
ScottM said:
I can attest to that. I tried to use my Department of Homeland Security ID once. The TSA refused it and wanted my non-RealID compliant drivers license.
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:rolleyes2: OMG, and that's just not any goverment department issueing the ID.
 
ScottM said:
I can attest to that. I tried to use my Department of Homeland Security ID once. The TSA refused it and wanted my non-RealID compliant drivers license.
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The FAA ATC guys that needed airport access to Fort Collins were not allowed to use their FAA credentials that allow access to DIA or Center. You wonder what TSA uses.
 
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