The phrase "With You"

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Just a quick check. What does the phrase "with you" signify in communication with ATC?
I get the impression that it is not standard terminology, but am only guessing that it might mean a request for flight following or something?

I wouldn't bother folks about it but I just passed my exams, am going to start flying again, and hadn't used the radio yet in my instructional flights so far. I want to hit the ground running and start out again by also using the radio. I had a "cheat sheet" for communication from my airport to the practice area, but when it's time to call up approach for request of practice area, it has me calling up Oslo approach, "with you xx feet overhead (area) request area xx" and I get the idea it is meant to be significant. To signify something like following but not in the approved way. Any light to shed?
 
LongRoadBob said:
Just a quick check. What does the phrase "with you" signify in communication with ATC?
I get the impression that it is not standard terminology, but am only guessing that it might mean a request for flight following or something?

I wouldn't bother folks about it but I just passed my exams, am going to start flying again, and hadn't used the radio yet in my instructional flights so far. I had a "cheat sheet" for communication from my airport to the practice area, but when it's time to call up approach for request of practice area, it has me calling up Oslo approach, "with you xx feet overhead (area) request area xx" and I get the idea it is meant to be significant. To signify something like following but not in the approved way. Any light to shed?
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LOL!

"With you" is one of those non-standard but harmless phrases pilots manage to pick up. It is used by some when reporting in after a change of frequency. It theoretically is telling ATC you are on the frequency, but the actual standard terminology "Skyhawk 1234X. Level at 4,500" (or climbing, or whatever) tells them that. So it actually means nothing at all and is roughly the equivalent of "uhhh..." or "errr..." or "and..." It gets spread around by new pilots thinking it sounds professional.
 
I gotta add... Two best "with you" comments. Neither are mine.

1....
I stopped saying "with you" cold turkey (it had slipped into my pilot speak) when I heard Philly Approach talking to a GA pilot late one night.
Cessna 123: "Philly Approach, Cessna 123 with you, two thousand five hundred over Woodstown, Mike".
Philly: "Cessna 123, Uniform is NOT the current information, squawk three zero three one and my name's Mike too how do you do."
(there was a stunned silence as the Cessna tried to figure it all out)
Cessna 123: "Ah Philly, I didn't say Uniform. Um, I have the current information - what was that squawk?"
Philly: "Actually Cessna 123, you did tell me you had Uniform - I have it on tape - the word 'with' precedes the ATIS information code - you want to try again".
(More silence and then maybe a realization)
Cessna 123: "OK Philly, Cessna 123 with...shoot...over Woodstown with information Mike".
Philly: (Emphatic) "Good Evening Cessna 123! I see you over Woodstown, two thousand three hundred and Mike is current, squawk three zero three one and say intentions".​

2....
Sometimes you get into a "with you" discussion with pilots who insist it's an important and helpful phrase. Take any transmission, change "with you" to "mayonnaise" in any phrase and the informational content will be exactly the same.​
 
Harmless. I do it sometimes. I also say "thanks for your help" to a tower controller or just before a FF handoff.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Yeah. Well a lot (most?) professional pilots use the phrase. As you said, it is harmless. I wonder why a few people make such a big deal about it.
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I used to (which is why I have a collection of "with you" stories), but as I said, it's harmless. Just like "Uhh."
 
SoCal RV Flyer said:
Harmless. I do it sometimes. I also say "thanks for your help" to a tower controller or just before a FF handoff.
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LOL. I remember someone justifying it by saying it was a warm and fuzzy greeting like hello or thanks. Someone else suggested going into a biker bar and saying, "Hi. With you," and seeing how it worked out.
 
LongRoadBob said:
Just a quick check. What does the phrase "with you" signify in communication with ATC?
I get the impression that it is not standard terminology, but am only guessing that it might mean a request for flight following or something?
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As others have said, it means nothing. Try to avoid using it just to keep your transmissions more succinct.

Nobody has perfect phraseology but I believe that we should try to stick to standard phraseology as much as possible. The system really does work better when we do.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Yeah. Well a lot (most?) professional pilots use the phrase. As you said, it is harmless. I wonder why a few people make such a big deal about it.
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It is harmless, I just prefer to use correct phraseology when I can because I'm an anal mother. (Where's that OCD thread???)
 
I've used it, like "blah blah with you at FL250" or similar. No harm if you use it or don't use it.
 
Bill Jennings said:
It is harmless, I just prefer to use correct phraseology when I can because I'm an anal mother. (Where's that OCD thread???)
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Those controllers who grew up Catholic have an overwhelming urge to reply "And also with you" (or perhaps if they are old enough: "And with your spirit.").
 
I’m sure someone will dig out the recommended phraseology after this post to show I’m wrong, but I truly don’t see the need to say “level”. It’s altitude leaving (climbing or descending) then altitude cleared to, or just an altitude if level.
 
yeah, why would you have to say "with mike", mike should be good enough.
 
midlifeflyer said:
I gotta add... Two best "with you" comments. Neither are mine.

1....
I stopped saying "with you" cold turkey (it had slipped into my pilot speak) when I heard Philly Approach talking to a GA pilot late one night.
Cessna 123: "Philly Approach, Cessna 123 with you, two thousand five hundred over Woodstown, Mike".
Philly: "Cessna 123, Uniform is NOT the current information, squawk three zero three one and my name's Mike too how do you do."
(there was a stunned silence as the Cessna tried to figure it all out)
Cessna 123: "Ah Philly, I didn't say Uniform. Um, I have the current information - what was that squawk?"
Philly: "Actually Cessna 123, you did tell me you had Uniform - I have it on tape - the word 'with' precedes the ATIS information code - you want to try again".
(More silence and then maybe a realization)
Cessna 123: "OK Philly, Cessna 123 with...shoot...over Woodstown with information Mike".
Philly: (Emphatic) "Good Evening Cessna 123! I see you over Woodstown, two thousand three hundred and Mike is current, squawk three zero three one and say intentions".​

2....
Sometimes you get into a "with you" discussion with pilots who insist it's an important and helpful phrase. Take any transmission, change "with you" to "mayonnaise" in any phrase and the informational content will be exactly the same.​
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that controller is a penis.

And as to the "threat" that he had something "on tape", my response would have been "Great! Mark the tape; I'll be calling the FAA QA guy in the morning to tell him about the exemplary service I got from you."
 
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flyingron said:
Those controllers who grew up Catholic have an overwhelming urge to reply "And also with you" (or perhaps if they are old enough: "And with your spirit.").
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Guess I'm old now ... I still say the "old" version more than half the time in mass (must be from years of being an alter boy). The "and with your spirit" just doesn't seem to stick ... maybe if I was Commanche or Cherokee;)

Back to the OP: Forget the "with you" ... that's bland and for the uncool only. Your NEW catch response is to yell "C-YA" as you get frequency changed to the next sector. Listen to the guys on ATC JFK broadcasts to get the correct inflection:rolleyes:
 
flyingron said:
Those controllers who grew up Catholic have an overwhelming urge to reply "And also with you" (or perhaps if they are old enough: "And with your spirit.").
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It's now "And with your spirit" again.
 
Kritchlow said:
I’m sure someone will dig out the recommended phraseology after this post to show I’m wrong, but I truly don’t see the need to say “level”. It’s altitude leaving (climbing or descending) then altitude cleared to, or just an altitude if level.
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I'm with you ;) on that.
 
danhagan said:
Guess I'm old now ... I still say the "old" version more than half the time in mass (must be from years of being an alter boy). The "and with your spirit" just doesn't seem to stick ... maybe if I was Commanche or Cherokee;)

Back to the OP: Forget the "with you" ... that's bland and for the uncool only. Your NEW catch response is to yell "C-YA" as you get frequency changed to the next sector. Listen to the guys on ATC JFK broadcasts to get the correct inflection:rolleyes:
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JFK leaving-sector controller: "Yo, don't let da daw hit ya on de way out"
 
Just a greeting type English lanuage thing

Like how you would say "could I have a latte with maple"

Even though you could convey the same thing by only saying "latte with maple"
 
James331 said:
Just a greeting type English lanuage thing

Like how you would say "could I have a latte with maple"

Even though you could convey the same thing by only saying "latte with maple"
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I never knew such a thing existed.....or could be desirable....o_O
 
Thanks guys. I was wanting to know if it implied an official type of request, even though I knew it was non-standard was interested if it was meant as some official permission, but I see now from all the posts that it is more innocent than that.

Wasn't my meaning to start a debate on if it's ok, but for myself I think I'll drop it as I am trying just to communicate the best I can, which at this point is pretty iffy. Don't need extra phrases as I'm just trying to get the necessary ones right now without sounding like a total idiot (half-idiot would be welcome at this point, and an improvement).

Even before I saw the suggestion somewhere, I'm practicing in my car :)
And screwing it up but it is getting better.

Thanks for clearing that up. Honestly was a big help!
 
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It’s just a throwaway noise like “ummmmmm”. Some people work on getting rid of it, some people are lazy and use it to fill the time their brain stops working. ;)
 
If you're just starting out or starting over, there is something to be said for sticking to standard phraseology. People assume you mean exactly what you say. No more, no less.
If you use non-standard phraseology, it CAN imply a certain background or perspective which becomes part of the message. The implied message may be you're an experienced pilot, or one with military background, or an airline pilot or glider jock, whatever. Someone may make an assumption (they shouldn't, but they might) about your background, experience, competence and so forth that you didn't mean and that might affect how they act, for example if you in the pattern, on approach, etc.. Not your fault, but in the interest of clear,concise communication.......
 
jnmeade said:
If you're just starting out or starting over, there is something to be said for sticking to standard phraseology. People assume you mean exactly what you say. No more, no less.
If you use non-standard phraseology, it CAN imply a certain background or perspective which becomes part of the message. The implied message may be you're an experienced pilot, or one with military background, or an airline pilot or glider jock, whatever. Someone may make an assumption (they shouldn't, but they might) about your background, experience, competence and so forth that you didn't mean and that might affect how they act, for example if you in the pattern, on approach, etc.. Not your fault, but in the interest of clear,concise communication.......
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Not sure how useful that is. Occasionally I sound like I know what I'm doing on the radio - doesn't mean it's true.
 
denverpilot said:
It’s just a throwaway noise like “ummmmmm”. Some people work on getting rid of it, some people are lazy and use it to fill the time their brain stops working. ;)
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jordane93 said:
It signifies nothing. You’re obviously “with them” if you are talking on their frequency. It’s like walking up to someone and saying “hi I’m talking to you right now.”
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Okay, I thought there was one case where "With You" was sort of standard (well, like 83% standard :)) and that is the initial call into flight services where you also state which frequency you called in on. I thought that was to help them as they have to queue up and handle several frequencies. So around here might be: "Princeton Radio, Skylane Romeo Eight Juliet with you on 122.25". I guess you could just say "Princeton Radio, Skylane Romeo Eight Juliet on 122.5". So far both instructors have taught with you, but only for initial call to FSS and in no other case.
 
"dude, this is really potent stuff, don't take too much or you'll OD"




















"aight, I'm with you."
 
Sinistar said:
Okay, I thought there was one case where "With You" was sort of standard (well, like 83% standard :)) and that is the initial call into flight services where you also state which frequency you called in on. I thought that was to help them as they have to queue up and handle several frequencies. So around here might be: "Princeton Radio, Skylane Romeo Eight Juliet with you on 122.25". I guess you could just say "Princeton Radio, Skylane Romeo Eight Juliet on 122.5". So far both instructors have taught with you, but only for initial call to FSS and in no other case.
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Either way is fine. I’d personally omit the “with you” because I find it unnecessary but it’s not really a big deal if you say it.
 
midlifeflyer said:
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Sometimes you get into a "with you" discussion with pilots who insist it's an important and helpful phrase. Take any transmission, change "with you" to "mayonnaise" in any phrase and the informational content will be exactly the same.​
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Can I use mustard? Mayonnaise is sooo boring.
 
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