THC-free CBD Brands?

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Title pretty much says it all. As someone who has used CBD before and genuinely feels like they benefit from it I would ideally like to keep using it as I pursue a career in aviation. However, I obviously don't want to risk failing a drug test and getting screwed, so I'm wondering if anyone here has any recommendations for thc-free CBD brands they like/trust. (Personally, I've looked into CBDistillery's thc-free tincture which has solid reviews and third party lab test results available)
 
Nobody is going to be able to tell you there’s a brand that guarantees it has no THC. Several quality brands claim it but do you want to risk your flying career on this?
 
huh? said:
(Personally, I've looked into CBDistillery's thc-free tincture which has solid reviews and third party lab test results available)
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The only review that counts is the one the FAA has.

Are you drinking it, smoking it or is it a cream that is applied externally.??

Too much of a risk for me to take a chance.
 
I'll tell you what I tell my truck drivers when they ask me the same question. No regulation and no oversight means any label claims have zero credibility and zero reliability. If you want to bet your livelihood on something like that, I can't stop you. But know that gambling your livelihood is exactly what you'll be doing. Is something that has never been proven to provide any greater efficacy than the placebo effect seen with sugar pills worth it to you?
 
So, if you do, and it does... your career and job are NOT at risk. There’s a VERY expensive burdensome program to get you flying again, that then uses tests JUST AS UNRELIABLE and unregulated as the CBD you used that got you into the mess to verify compliance. At THAT point your job is in danger.

Food for thought.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Interesting thing to me in that article is that drug tests don’t look for THC, they look for markers that THC has been metabolized…which are exactly the same markers that metabolizing CBD leaves behind.

So from a drug testing standpoint, it doesn’t matter whether the CBD is THC-free or not.
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No, CDB doesn't metabolize the same as the various THC compounds.
The initial test is for THC, and can detect residual THC from other preparations.
The initial test is an antibody test:
https://www.genwaybio.com/media/custom/upload/File-1435767251.pdf

They can then test for CBD metabolites, and from the ratio of THC and CBD metabolites, determine if the person being tested was using CBD contaminated with THC, or was using a THC product.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
No, CDB doesn't metabolize the same as the various THC compounds.
The initial test is for THC, and can detect residual THC from other preparations.
The initial test is an antibody test:
https://www.genwaybio.com/media/custom/upload/File-1435767251.pdf

They can then test for CBD metabolites, and from the ratio of THC and CBD metabolites, determine if the person being tested was using CBD contaminated with THC, or was using a THC product.
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Is that widely used? Exclusively used? The AOPA article explicitly states that testing is for cannabinoid metabolites.

Playing with fire, either way.
 
A couple of factors here...

1. Just because the medical community and technology allows the ability to determine the difference between CBD and THD use doesn’t mean the FAA even cares.

2. If you’re subjected to a DOT test, you generally get the benefit of medical officer review. If you’re in the FAA’s HIMS program, you do NOT get medical officer review. Nor does the lab have ANY useful certification or review.
 
OneCharlieTango said:
Is that widely used? Exclusively used? The AOPA article explicitly states that testing is for cannabinoid metabolites.

Playing with fire, either way.
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The AOPA article is simply wrong.
"But there is currently no direct test for THC levels in a person, like a blood test for alcohol. Therefore, the DOT test does not report the level of THC, but rather the level of cannabinoid metabolites, the chemicals in the blood left after the body has metabolized THC. As for CBD products, the body metabolizes CBD, which is also a cannabinoid, in the same way so it leaves the same metabolites."
While anything produced by Cannabis sativa is termed an cannabinoid, this also refers to compounds that aren't closely related to the various THC compounds, so they can't have the same metabolites.
The initial test is the urine test- this is an antibody test for THC compounds as described in the citation above.

They can test for CBD - I'm not sure why the citation I thought I posted didn't show, but here it is now:
https://www.labcorp.com/tests/701907/cannabidiol-cbd-tetrahydrocannabinol-thc-ratio-urine
They can then test for CBD metabolites, and from the ratio of THC and CBD metabolites, determine if the person being tested was using CBD contaminated with THC, or was using a THC product
I was merely attempting to correct the false statement the CBD has the same metabolic markers as THC.

AFAIK, the FAA stops at the urine test if there is any THC found, so form a practical point of view, AOPA is correct. They see THC in the urine test and you fail, full stop.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
The AOPA article is simply wrong.
"But there is currently no direct test for THC levels in a person, like a blood test for alcohol. Therefore, the DOT test does not report the level of THC, but rather the level of cannabinoid metabolites, the chemicals in the blood left after the body has metabolized THC. As for CBD products, the body metabolizes CBD, which is also a cannabinoid, in the same way so it leaves the same metabolites."
While anything produced by Cannabis sativa is termed an cannabinoid, this also refers to compounds that aren't closely related to the various THC compounds, so they can't have the same metabolites.
The initial test is the urine test- this is an antibody test for THC compounds as described in the citation above.

They can test for CBD - I'm not sure why the citation I thought I posted didn't show, but here it is now:
https://www.labcorp.com/tests/701907/cannabidiol-cbd-tetrahydrocannabinol-thc-ratio-urine
They can then test for CBD metabolites, and from the ratio of THC and CBD metabolites, determine if the person being tested was using CBD contaminated with THC, or was using a THC product
I was merely attempting to correct the false statement the CBD has the same metabolic markers as THC.

AFAIK, the FAA stops at the urine test if there is any THC found, so form a practical point of view, AOPA is correct. They see THC in the urine test and you fail, full stop.
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It sounds like the FAA hasn’t caught up with the times. Until a few years ago, THC positive meant you smoked weed, period. I think it was only 2018 that the Farm Bill removed hemp from the DEA controlled substance list. “Hemp” meaning the not-marijuana kind. There are four types of cannabis products:

1. Marijuana (still scheduled)
2. Hemp or hemp products that might contain small amounts of THC but mostly CBD
3. Products with CBD allegedly completely free of THC
4. Hemp products with no CBD and no THC

The last three are regulated by the FDA as a food or supplement.

Until the FAA gets up into the third decade of the 21st century, I would steer clear of numbers 2 and 3. (And 1 obviously). Number 4 you might consume without knowing it. It’s used in foods, cosmetics, animal feed, and industrial applications.
 
I cant wait for it to be de-listed Sched 1. Not so much for the coming regulation but so I can grow it next to my tomatoes which I mostly give away:) then Ill get me a Come And Take It Flag like the....
Independent studies, testing and potentancy standards might lead to acceptable levels and meaningful doses.
 
I don't think you should draw and look for cannabis without THC. You should stop smoking weed 2-3 weeks before the test, and then all traces of THC will pass, and the doctors will not detect anything. The most important thing is that they don't take your hair for testing because the residue from the weed stays there for a long time. I think cannabis should be legalized worldwide as it is safer than alcohol. When I first wanted to try cannabis, I was very worried, but the information I read here https://herbceo.com helped me. Weed is perfect for relaxing.
 
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britanyweel said:
I don't think you should draw and look for cannabis without THC. You should stop smoking weed 2-3 weeks before the test, and then all traces of THC will pass, and the doctors will not detect anything. The most important thing is that they don't take your hair for testing because the residue from the weed stays there for a long time. I think cannabis should be legalized worldwide as it is safer than alcohol. When I first wanted to try cannabis, I was very worried, but the information I read here https://herbceo.com helped me. Weed is perfect for relaxing.
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Thanks for the valuable advice. Perhaps @Brad Z can have it included in the next issue of FAA Safety Briefing.
 
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