Tesla stock plunge continues after Model S battery fire

Alexb2000 said:
Tell me you're shorting the stock, at least I'll understand your fantastically negative preoccupation with Tesla.
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The Tesla model S hasn't been in production for very long and there is not many of them on the road and they haven't been on the road very long; yet they already have a reputation as a 'zippo'. (fast car that catches on fire)

The Ford Pinto was in production for about a decade, over 3 million copies, and are decades old.

If the Tesla model S makes over 3 million copies and stays in production for about a decade and some of them stay on the road for decades; it will be interesting to see how they compare.

How many years has the Tesla model S been in production? How many of the Tesla model S been produced? How long has the Tesla model S. been on the road? Yet the car touted as the "safest car in America" already has a reputation as a zippo. That doesn't speak very well.

Ask the emergency responders that responded to the Tesla zippo, if they think it is deserving of being touted "safest car in America". Cutting through a car to access a burning battery pack that has a significant potential of explosion; doesn't sound very safe for emergency responders. The Tesla battery fire reigniting, doesn't sound very safe. The Tesla battery fire flaring up when emergency responders spray it with water, doesn't sound very safe.

It sounds like emergency responders will have additional expenses, require additional training, and will have to change their procedures to cope with electric vehicles that use batteries like lithium.

New blow for Tesla: Fire in the 'world's safest electric car' began in vehicle's battery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...began-vehicles-battery.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Do you have a vested interest in Tesla? I find it interesting that there are so many Tesla advocates that vehemently attack facts and opinions that are critical of Tesla and debunk Tesla rhetoric. I'm disappointed in all the lies and corporate greed.
 
No Joy said:
The Tesla model S hasn't been in production for very long and there is not many of them on the road and they haven't been on the road very long; yet they already have a reputation as a 'zippo'. (fast car that catches on fire)

The Ford Pinto was in production for about a decade, over 3 million copies, and are decades old.

If the Tesla model S makes over 3 million copies and stays in production for about a decade and some of them stay on the road for decades; it will be interesting to see how they compare.

How many years has the Tesla model S been in production? How many of the Tesla model S been produced? How long has the Tesla model S. been on the road? Yet the car touted as the "safest car in America" already has a reputation as a zippo. That doesn't speak very well.

Ask the emergency responders that responded to the Tesla zippo, if they think it is deserving of being touted "safest car in America". Cutting through a car to access a burning battery pack that has a significant potential of explosion; doesn't sound very safe for emergency responders. The Tesla battery fire reigniting, doesn't sound very safe. The Tesla battery fire flaring up when emergency responders spray it with water, doesn't sound very safe.

It sounds like emergency responders will have additional expenses, require additional training, and will have to change their procedures to cope with electric vehicles that use batteries like lithium.

New blow for Tesla: Fire in the 'world's safest electric car' began in vehicle's battery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...began-vehicles-battery.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Do you have a vested interest in Tesla? I find it interesting that there are so many Tesla advocates that vehemently attack facts and opinions that are critical of Tesla and debunk Tesla rhetoric. I'm disappointed in all the lies and corporate greed.
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I've already said I don't own the stock or the car several times. I just bought a Yukon XL for crying out loud, so I'll save you from the effort of labeling me a greenie. I just like new technology and American progress, nothing more.

You have a lot of Venom on this topic, so I guess I'll step back and wait until you get this thread locked also.

Flying is a great way to blow off some steam BTW:wink2:
 
Sac Arrow said:
Well what I'm saying is for the average driver, you would have to compare a $100,000 Tesla with something well over $50,000 to be equivalent on a cost of ownership basis (although maintenance, and as you point out battery costs, are a big unknown.) Same reason why hybrids don't work out economically for most drivers.

Could you convince me that the cost of ownership of a $100,000 Tesla is equivalent to a $50,000 Infinity? Possibly, depending on the mileage assumptions although I think that would be a stretch. But it would be a moot point, I wouldn't buy a $50,000 Infinity anyway. You would have to give me something equivalent to an $18,000, 40 mpg Corolla. For my current driving needs, an electric couldn't cost much more than that.
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IMO they did it on purpose, it is much easier to push the higher cost of the new tech on a car that is already expencive.

And from a performance standpoint you are likely going to spend 70-80k to get close to what a tessla can do, (short range of course) and some European companies are selling performance sedans for 30-50k MORE than the tessla that would loose to it in a race.

Apples apples isn't a corolla, but many of us are on a corolla budget
 
Alexb2000 said:
just like new technology and American progress, nothing more.
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Quite the contrary. If you really liked new technology and American progress; then you wouldn't object to facts and criticism against Tesla hype. Tesla fanatics are stifling new technology and American progress.


Alexb2000 said:
You have a lot of Venom on this topic, so I guess I'll step back and wait until you get this thread locked also.
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Hypocrisy. You uncivilized Tesla fanatics got the thread locked, by attacking facts and criticism that was contrary to Tesla hype. I find it ironic that the thread was locked shortly after my warnings about lithium batteries, and skepticism of Tesla batteries.

You Tesla thugs have an egg on your face. The touted "safest car in America" turns out to be more like a Ford Pinto or a zippo. :rolleyes2:
 
At the considerable risk of being obvious, exactly how many Tesla Model S sedans have caught fire?

I honestly do not know.

I mean, the Audi 5000 (100 to the rest of the world) gained a "reputation" for sudden acceleration, based entirely upon evidence fabricated by plaintiffs' lawyers and broadcast by CBS' 60 Minutes program. There was, ultimately, not one single instance of a 5000/100 accelerating by itself. Not a one. But the reputation persisted for quite a long time.

So, "reputation" can exist without benefit of fact. Help us out here - educate us.

Thanks!
 
No Joy said:
Quite the contrary. If you really liked new technology and American progress; then you wouldn't object to facts and criticism against Tesla hype. Tesla fanatics are stifling new technology and American progress.



Hypocrisy. You uncivilized Tesla fanatics got the thread locked, by attacking facts and criticism that was contrary to Tesla hype. I find it ironic that the thread was locked shortly after my warnings about lithium batteries, and skepticism of Tesla batteries.

You Tesla thugs have an egg on your face. The touted "safest car in America" turns out to be more like a Ford Pinto or a zippo. :rolleyes2:
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Facts? Like a news link and your opinions? Or am I missing something?

Here's what we know:
You've never driven a Tesla
You've never even sat in one
You've never owned one
You don't own the stock
You don't have any information deeper than the six o'clock news
You hate Tesla for some undisclosed reason
You avoid questions about flying

Maybe I will buy a Tesla, throw some dubs on it
Murder it out
That would be Eco-ghetto fabulous

-Thug
 
SCCutler said:
At the considerable risk of being obvious, exactly how many Tesla Model S sedans have caught fire?
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As I pointed out just one is statistically significant since the Tesla model S. has been in production for such a short period of time, so few have been produced, and they are so new. It's also significant because it wasn't a crash, it's allegedly case that the Tesla ran over road debris.

It sounds like Tesla might need to do a recall. Tesla might need to put a shield in to prevent road debris from harming the battery and causing a fire and/or explosion.

SCCutler said:
I mean, the Audi 5000 (100 to the rest of the world) gained a "reputation" for sudden acceleration, based entirely upon evidence fabricated by plaintiffs' lawyers and broadcast by CBS' 60 Minutes program. There was, ultimately, not one single instance of a 5000/100 accelerating by itself. Not a one. But the reputation persisted for quite a long time.

So, "reputation" can exist without benefit of fact. Help us out here - educate us.

Thanks!
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Though I am an outspoken critic of the Tesla hype. I do have some degree of skepticism of the fire. The fire seems to be coming from the front of the car. I'm not familiar with the design of the Tesla model S, but I have seen some drawings that suggest the battery is under the floorboard, which would be further back. If the battery is under the floorboards, then the fire in the video would seem to be of some other origin, or that the batteries are venting forward.

Though I suspect the battery is the source of the fire, I'm still willing to consider other possibilities. It's possible that the fire had another origin or was staged. Almost certainly the truth will come out as they're likely to be an array of investigators looking into it. Though it's possible investigators may have different opinions.
 
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Alexb2000 said:
You've never driven a Tesla
You've never even sat in one
You've never owned one
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I've never owned one, but I've both sat in it, driven it, and have been filmed by Audi doing so. Some bizarre market research program to convince management that an electric A8 would be viable.
 
flyingron said:
I've never owned one, but I've both sat in it, driven it, and have been filmed by Audi doing so. Some bizarre market research program to convince management that an electric A8 would be viable.
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What did you think of it?
 
Alexb2000 said:
Facts? Like a news link and your opinions? Or am I missing something?

Here's what we know:
You've never driven a Tesla
You've never even sat in one
You've never owned one
You don't own the stock
You don't have any information deeper than the six o'clock news
You hate Tesla for some undisclosed reason
You avoid questions about flying

Maybe I will buy a Tesla, throw some dubs on it
Murder it out
That would be Eco-ghetto fabulous

-Thug
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Hypocrisy. You expect your word to be gospel; yet you don't provide relevant facts, let alone supporting links.

Again you are making a lot of false assumptions and false insinuations.
Do you think someone has to drive a Yugo, to have an informed opinion of them?
Do you think someone has to sit in a Peel P50, to know it would be uncomfortable for most large adults?
Do you think someone has to own Solyndra stock to know the company has problems?
Do you think everyone is ignorant that is more informed than you?
Do you think just because someone is critical of hype, that they hate the device that is being hyped?
Do you hate it when people don't let trolls take threads off-topic?
 
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Alexb2000 said:
What did you think of it?
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The TESLA...it's a hoot. You step on the pedal and it zips right up to 60 without any hesitation (no automatic or manual shifting). Handles well in corners. Neat features like the active suspension can be used to raise a wheel off the ground to change a tire. Comfortable, roomy. Neat automation, emailed Margy from the car while parked at the Audi offices.

The A8 isn't bad, neat heads up speedo but the transmission is clunky compared to the Tesla. If AUDI could figure out how to redo it as an electric it could give TESLA a run for the money.
 
Wow, sooo much negativity from ONE incident, because, Lord knows, no gasoline car ever caught on fire...

:rolleyes2:
 
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Capt.Crash'n'Burn said:
Bio-diesel grown from algae looks very promising. Gas engines can always be converted to run on alcohol.
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It does look promising; one doesn't need to convert the engines. The fatty acids from algae can be run through existing refineries and make the same fuels we use now.
 
mnewb1 said:
Wow, sooo much negativity from ONE incident, because, Lord knows, no gasoline car every caught on fire...

:rolleyes2:
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Exactly. I've lost count of the auto fires I've witnessed on the side of the highway over the years. They burn like they are carrying 10 or 20 gallons of flammables... oh, wait. And I have seen auto fuel tanks punctured by road debris, so I don't get his issue there either.

Seriously, I wonder what the OP's problem with Tesla is? He seems a bit obsessed.
 
No Joy said:
As I pointed out just one is statistically significant since the Tesla model S. has been in production for such a short period of time...
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Finally, you answer one of the questions. So, one fire of unknown origin constitutes a reputation? I don't think so, and your hammering the phrase "Tesla zippo" multiple times in one post is not sufficient to create a reputation, either. (At least, not for the car...)

There are definitely problems to be overcome with lithium chemistry. First responders will have to be trained not to spray water on a smoking electric car, just as truck drivers 35 years ago had to be trained not to lift and tow front-wheel drive cars with their front wheels on the ground.

There were also problems getting accustomed to the motorcar after centuries using horses. They were noisy, smelly, and put blacksmiths out of work. We got over it. We'll get over it again.

At least, most of us will.
 
Capt.Crash'n'Burn said:
Bio-diesel grown from algae looks very promising. Gas engines can always be converted to run on alcohol.
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Yeah, you can richen it up to run on alcohol, but to make it run right and get reasonable efficiency you need to bring the compression up over 13:1. There's more to running BB than just richening up the jets or nozzles if you want to get the most out of it. If you aren't looking for a bunch of extra horsepower from your current engine, you really need to use a smaller engine as well.

If you're going to go through all that, algae/bioDiesel is way better.
 
Sac Arrow said:
You would have to give me something equivalent to an $18,000, 40 mpg Corolla. For my current driving needs, an electric couldn't cost much more than that.
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This is precisely why I still drive my 1990s POS Toyota. I’m getting 32 mpg freeway. Upgrade not worth it.
 
Skylane81E said:
IMO they did it on purpose, it is much easier to push the higher cost of the new tech on a car that is already expencive.

And from a performance standpoint you are likely going to spend 70-80k to get close to what a tessla can do, (short range of course) and some European companies are selling performance sedans for 30-50k MORE than the tessla that would loose to it in a race.

Apples apples isn't a corolla, but many of us are on a corolla budget
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Well then you have the Mitsubishi MiEV option for less than a Corolla.

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/imiev/12/showroom/overview.do
 
Bill Jennings said:
Gets terrible reviews, not much more than a 4-door golf cart.
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My buddy has one, I give it a great review. It'll do 80, runs in traffic perfectly well. Did have to improve the insulation a bit for St Louis winters. Comfortable and costs him very little to run. He does a 60 mile daily commute and it makes it and has enough space inside to haul his family and also to haul his guitars and gear to gigs. As a metro area commuter it serves perfectly well at very low cost.

Very different from a golf cart drive train as well with a dynamic braking mode on the motor.
 
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Bout half the range I'd need to make it a practical commuter. Usually I'd be ok but some days I have to go about 100miles round trip from home with no advanced notice (already at work) so 60 miles would leave me stranded.

Getting there though
 
Last I heard we only have at present known oil supplies 600-800 years here in the U.S. Using at the present rate.
I hope Tesla and the other Electrics can hang on until we run out of oil:wink2:
 
el con said:
Last I heard we only have at present known oil supplies 600-800 years here in the U.S. Using at the present rate.
I hope Tesla and the other Electrics can hang on until we run out of oil:wink2:
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I think that's an exaggeration. Most of the easy petroleum already has been tapped and used up. Petroleum will become increasingly difficult and expensive to explore, drill and pump. As petroleum becomes more expensive, alternative fuel and energy sources will become relatively more cost-effective.

Much of the hype and mandates is stifling innovation and advancement. It's jumping the gun and sending us down a lot of false paths.
 
No Joy said:
I think that's an exaggeration. Most of the easy petroleum already has been tapped and used up. Petroleum will become increasingly difficult and expensive to explore, drill and pump. As petroleum becomes more expensive, alternative fuel and energy sources will become relatively more cost-effective.

Much of the hype and mandates is stifling innovation and advancement. It's jumping the gun and sending us down a lot of false paths.
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Henning said:
Not totally, back in the 70s we knew all about tar sands oil and such, it just wasn't viable at the price of oil then, now it is.
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It was viable. Great Canadian Oil Sands started production from their mine back in 1967.
 
Are you going to paste the same thing to every thread on the subject?
 
Henning said:
Are you going to paste the same thing to every thread on the subject?
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Again you show your ignorance and/or dishonesty. I used a different source to a different article on each Tesla thread. :rolleyes:
 
No Joy said:
Again you show your ignorance and/or dishonesty. I used a different source to a different article on each Tesla thread. :rolleyes:
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What is wrong with you seriously? Is this how you talk to people in real life? Every time someone asks you a question or disagrees with you doesn't make them a hypocrite, dishonest, or ignorant. You obviously have some deep seated hatred of Tesla, but relax it is a CAR, people will have different opinions, that's why there are so many on the market.
 
Alexb2000 said:
What is wrong with you seriously? Is this how you talk to people in real life? Every time someone asks you a question or disagrees with you doesn't make them a hypocrite, dishonest, or ignorant. You obviously have some deep seated hatred of Tesla, but relax it is a CAR, people will have different opinions, that's why there are so many on the market.
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What is wrong with with you tesla fanatics? So many of you get your panties in a bunch, when people point out that Tesla isn't perfect. As often is with Henning and other Tesla fanatics, his assertions were dishonest.

Tesla isn't that bad of a car.The fanatics like you are bad for hyping Tesla and making unfounded personal attacks against those that criticize the hype. Like many tesla fanatics you seem to have anger management problems, credibility problems, and hate issues.

Elon Musk seems to be a real successful salesman, though somewhat lacking technically and uses some very shady public relation tactics (hype and slander). Like blaming firefighters. Hyping Tesla's battery safety.
 
No Joy said:
...No wonder they are compared to Zippos and Ronsons...
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Only by you. How did you arrive at this level of hatred?

No Joy said:
What is wrong with with you tesla fanatics?
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What's wrong is your definition of anyone who doesn't share your anti-Tesla obsession as a "tesla fanatic." There's a huge space between those two poles of which you seem unaware.

Every new application of technology has growing pains, and so far I'm not seeing anything in the Tesla accidents that has made Tesla drivers any more likely to be injured than drivers of other cars in similar accidents. There are fires in gasoline-powered cars every day, especially if you drive them through roundabout walls or go pole-vaulting in them. Those fires don't make the news because they're so common.

Many fires in gasoline-powered cars are started in older cars by oil and gasoline leaks onto hot exhaust manifolds or catalytic converters. That can't happen in an electric car.

If you actually read the third story you've posted, you might have noted that in each of the three accidents, the drivers involved have asked for another Tesla. If drivers who've actually experienced these fires still want the car, it speaks much louder than your tiresome, childish campaign.
 
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