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Good neighborhoods, bad neighborhoods, stuff to do, where's the most GA friendly nearby airports, etc.

How's the weather generally?

I assume the closer to the mountains you get, the nicer the area, but I could be wrong too...

How far of a drive is Denver (say, from middle city Colorado Springs to the Pepsi Center)? I've done it before, but hell, I can't remember.

Lotta grass? Lotta brown stuff? What's the skinny?
 
Good neighborhoods, bad neighborhoods, stuff to do, where's the most GA friendly nearby airports, etc.

How's the weather generally?

I assume the closer to the mountains you get, the nicer the area, but I could be wrong too...

How far of a drive is Denver (say, from middle city Colorado Springs to the Pepsi Center)? I've done it before, but hell, I can't remember.

Lotta grass? Lotta brown stuff? What's the skinny?

Lotta grass these days, mostly green though since they don't need the junk Mexiweed now that the KGB is legal.
 
It has been about 20 years since I last lived in CO, so can't really give you anything current, but personally, I loved Ft Collins and would go back if I had a good reason to (ie employment).


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I believe there is a Springs resident who posts so maybe wait for good answers from them.

In the mean time: COS is general aviation friendly. They aren't that busy and ATC doesn't seem to get picky. Approach can be a bit of a pain when transiting their airspace but if you're landing or just practicing approaches they've been great.

FLY (Meadowlake) just east (and a little north) of town seems to be a nice little airport. From the air the neighbor hood looks nice around it.

Springs to downtown Denver is about an hour and a half depending on traffic.

Haven't heard of particular problems with the Springs water supply but it'll always be an issue on the front range. We're all brown in dry years.

The weather is great most of the time but Pikes Peak does seem to create a bit more weather than Denver sees.

On the aviation side of things, the Cadets and the Doss folks have a lot of plastic buzzing around. Traffic will get "interesting" at times. Eyes definitely have to be out and talking to approach is a good thing.
 
Springs is a nice place to visit, and most of what I saw visiting that I liked would, I'd expect, translate to good living. Have no idea what cost of living is, but I bet Mari could weigh in on that.

My impression is that it is one of those places which is big enough to have all you'd need, and small enough to not overwhelm you with urban badness.

$0.02.
 
Seems crime is pretty high... Any truth to that?
 
Seems crime is pretty high... Any truth to that?

Probably. Plenty of crime reported in the media. They have their fair share of gangs and drugs.
 
Lotta green if you want to spend the money watering. Colorado like much of the mid-west is in drought mode. Water supply is dependent on snow pack in the hills, and we haven't had much this year.

Driving Springs-Denver - depends entirely on time of day and weather. I live on the SE side of Denver, and have worked both at the Academy and a couple of the beltway-bandits also on the north side of the Springs. Other than a snow storm, it's never taken me more than an hour to get from home to work. The other direction - hm. During rush hour, I never made it less than 90 min. All too often it was 2-3 hours. There's 2 major traffic jams Springs-Denver at the afternoon rush: Up to Monument Pass (a large and favored residential area), I-25 north of Castle Rock all the way thru Denver to the north side.

Many military try for Springs as last posting so they can retire there. With growing DOD presence (Ft Hood moved big chunk to Ft Carson in the mid 2000s and more beltway-bandit contracts) housing is really odd. Difficult to find rentals at a reasonable price yet if you want to buy, there's a variety of houses all over the area.

Closer to the hills? Be careful of wild fires, such as the one this past summer.

Focus on the Family has its HQ there, just on the east side of I-25 on the north end.

As for airports & flying - Meadowlake (KFLY) is a great place with reasonable fuel (if any avfuel can be called reasonable - I just paid $2.99/gal to fill the car but the cheapest avfuel is $4.95 at Platte Valley)

Doss is the contractor for USAF IPT at Pueblo (KPUB. During the week, traffic gets rather hectic. No IPT T&Gs are allowed at PUB, so they use Canon City and LaJunta (KLHX which was a WWII training base) and have cut a deal with a private airport Fowler midway between LHX & PUB. The Academy uses Bullseye (inside the Alert Area 639A)

306 FTG (based at the Academy) has a not-FAA approved map (and it's huge) showing the routes & training areas for Doss and the Academy.

www.ia-kapa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Centennial-MACA-Poster-USAFA-Ops-Chart_20jun11.pdf

You can call/email them and they'll send you a current one. The flying club at the academy (no night flying allowed) has a great book that details routes, procedures, etc, since many of the cadets, active duty, staff and such are members.

http://www.usafasupport.com/hobbies-skills/aero-club

Unless you're military or work there, people don't realize the Academy is both a college and a military base with all the personnel and functions that go along with a base. Peterson AFB co-exists with KCOS so it's nice to have a 13K runway, just in case.

Academy dumped the Diamonds and went with Cirrus for training. Strange looking birds, not what you see in the Cirrus brochures. Pattern for KAFF is east of the field and right over the major shopping mall.

Back to PUB - Kirtland AFB is not far, as the heavy haulers go, and I've seen Raytheon's 757 (avionics test suite) doing T&Gs a few years ago.

Most of the lower half of the airspace in the state is R/M/A military with permanent NOTAM routes in addition to the published military routes (which no one remembers) for transits from the midwest to the west coast and Kirtland training. And Cannon AFB wants the rest of the south and a goodly chunk of north NM for low-level, lights-out training.

And don't forget Leadville - they've been doing high-altitude lights-out up there for quite some time.
 
Never lived in the Springs, but culturally remember its a mix of a military town and the HQ of a very large number of evangelical Christian organizations. (Most notably, Dobson's Focus on Your Own Damn Family, as I call them... and my beliefs actually lean their direction, but the money changer types really annoy me.) Mix those and it's a tad bit more "redneck" an some prefer.

(A recent protest last year was a group of gay guys who chose to open-carry for a day. Not kidding. Funny stuff until one was illegally detained, searched, arrested, threatened with bodily harm by a group of three City of Colorado Springs Police Sargeants, and later released. No apology ever formally published by the City for violating multiple Civil Rights.)

Not exactly the most "open minded" city in Colorado. Only Boulder is worse, they're the city that claims they're open-minded unless you happen to be a fiscal or political conservative. Haha. ;)

That's it for culture. If you're a suburban white schlub, you'll fit KCOS fine. Add in a church habit, and you'll be in politics there in no time. Haha. (Insert smiley or frown here as appropriate.)

Prices and what-not, they're a military town so prices are reasonable for housing, but you'll find most businesses also give significant military and ex-military discounts. With Oracle, HP, and others (COS was given the nickname "Silicon Mountain" during the 90s tech boom...) having large facilities, those tend to be the high-end jobs there. There's also a significant number of older retired military there that keeps the Peterson BX hopping.

My airplane co-owner owns a computer store down there and drives I-25 from south Denver to the Springs every day. That's a looooong commute when the weather is bad at Monument Hill.

Buying a house at KFLY would be nice. Active flying community, and they've recently added glider ops from the grass on the West side of the runway on most nice days.

KCOS Class C is very busy with USAFA and KFLY traffic as well as the Airlines and military going to KCOS/Peterson AFB. But like most mixed service busy places, they're great and very accommodating.

Watering grass in CO is dumb, but lots of us do it in suburban areas. Move further out of any CO city and it's brown prairie grasses most of the year. Far enough West, uphill, you're living up a dirt road that may or may not be plowed after storms, and you have a lot full of pine trees. Most folks can't afford those places.

Many folks who are relatively well off seem to live on small ranches along the north-south roads between Denver and COS along the foothills West of I-25. There's a great little bar in Palmer Lake where you cook your own steak, if you ever want to meet up there for grub. :)

If you buy way out of the city, expect well water, a septic system, and delivered propane and wood heat. In the city, obviously not an issue.

Not sure what else to cover. Holler if you think of something specific.
 
Nate beat me to it but...

...I have an evangelical nephew (who's on his third marriage) who lives in Colorado Springs. He's with his brethren...pretending to be someone he isn't every day.

Spent quite a bit of time there when I was with FedEx. Couldn't pay me enough to live there.
 
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I live in the Springs and have my flying plane a Gobosh 700 LSA hangared at Meadow Lake (KFLY). I am also building a RV-12 out there. There is a very vibrant builders community at FLY. The airport is generally really nice for an older untowered field. The controllers at KCOS approach seem to be plenty helpful whenever I am flying. The controllers at Denver approach and Center are real good to work with generally also. As others have mentioned, the USAFA students are all over the place. There are a couple alert areas just to the east-northeast and south of FLY used by the training aircraft. They actually use FLY quite a bit for touch and goes as well.

I would say that the weather here can be interesting as a result of the mountains and their impact on winds and other weather patterns. Today was a great example where KCOS was reporting winds light and variable and KFLY had crosswinds gusting to between 19 and 30 kts. The two airports are only like 7 miles apart. At my house, another 12 miles east of FLY it was howling. I still would prefer to operate out of FLY but you just have to be aware of that minor consideration. The weather in general here is pretty nice, lots of sunny days and winter flying here is just spectacular.

We live on the northeast side of the city more of less. I would say that the area where we live is nice. I work on the northwest side of the city and it is very nice near the mountains as well. As others mentioned when the fires hit however it became apparent that although nice there were some risks with that as well. I actually prefer the Black Forest area to the northeast of the city. It is really nicely wooded and has some really nice houses. It is a bit more expensive that some other areas of town.

There have certainly been more reports of crime recently but the majority I have seen have been further south of us anyway. I think it is like any other city of its size. We have lived here for about 10 years and feel very safe.

Hope this helps.. feel free to PM with any specific questions.

Carl
 
OK I'll ask the question Nick - what has you looking at CO?

I won't say just yet.

I'm really digging everyone's information so far though. Thanks to everyone. Keep the info coming.

I've heard from a few sources that the southern part of the city is the place to avoid, but I can't find any data to back that. Anyone confirm/deny that fact? I recognize that often, data doesn't corroborate the "bad areas," but that doesn't mean that they're not bad. For example, in Albuquerque, I lived in one of the ghettoest ghettos in the city, besides the war zone. There's no data to back up that assertion, but having lived there, I know its worse than the numbers show.

Long winded way of asking: "Is the south the part to avoid?"
 
I won't say just yet.

I'm really digging everyone's information so far though. Thanks to everyone. Keep the info coming.

I've heard from a few sources that the southern part of the city is the place to avoid, but I can't find any data to back that. Anyone confirm/deny that fact? I recognize that often, data doesn't corroborate the "bad areas," but that doesn't mean that they're not bad. For example, in Albuquerque, I lived in one of the ghettoest ghettos in the city, besides the war zone. There's no data to back up that assertion, but having lived there, I know its worse than the numbers show.

Long winded way of asking: "Is the south the part to avoid?"

Ummm, given that Carson is on the south side why would you doubt the guidance?

Other than that, don't live near downtown and near I-25 and you'll be okay.
 
Ummm, given that Carson is on the south side why would you doubt the guidance?

Other than that, don't live near downtown and near I-25 and you'll be okay.

I don't know what Carson is - is that a nasty area?
 
Ft. Carson - the army base.

Please forgive my naivety, but does that mean it should be avoided? I do know, in Albuquerque, one would be wise to avoid living around Kirtland AFB, because that is all ghetto. Not sure if that's a universal rule though.
 
Please forgive my naivety, but does that mean it should be avoided? I do know, in Albuquerque, one would be wise to avoid living around Kirtland AFB, because that is all ghetto. Not sure if that's a universal rule though.

Pretty universal as far as I know. Ft. Sill, Tinker, Carson, Leavenworth...
 
Please forgive my naivety, but does that mean it should be avoided? I do know, in Albuquerque, one would be wise to avoid living around Kirtland AFB, because that is all ghetto. Not sure if that's a universal rule though.


As universal as things get in my experience; the neighborhood surrounding military bases are worse neighborhoods in the area.
 
I'd say economically, the south side is poorer, and new development is mostly north and east. That's just a general observation from driving thru, not living there, so take with a grain of salt.

New businesses and companies seem to be in their own little business parks on the north side.
 
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