SR22 FIKI/Landing Flare/PIREP

[Cpt_Kirk]

Grabbing some more time in the Cirrus today and got close to using the weeping wing. I know it's FIKI certified, but I sure don't feel comfortable using it in ice if I had to. With boots, you can turn the system on and leave it on continuously in icing conditions. With the Cirrus, you wait until you can see ice accumulate before engaging the system so that you don't run out of fluid before you complete your flight. It's just another item to forget and one that if you do, will surely kill you.

I've never heard really good things from others about the springs in the side stick. I love it. It's an airplane you fly by the seat of your pants and not by the pressure you feel on the stick. I haven't looked into the reasoning behind the design but I believe I can see why they did it. My approaches and landings are very consistent and that's always a good thing.

I'm not a big fan of the Avidyne suite. I've got more time in the G1000 and that may be why. I know for a fact I need to be more proficient with programming the 430 as I almost got bit a couple of times because of it.

Two back seat pilots weren't a big fan of my landing flare on the middle leg. They say the aircraft doesn't need to be flared. I'm not sure I agree. I think they're worried about me scraping the tail. Can anyone else with more time in type chime in on that? Even at a full stall over the runway, I didn't feel I was anywhere near that danger with full flaps.

The XM radio is the best feature. One RNAV, one VOR DME-D to circle, and one visual to complete the day.

I'm sure glad I didn't have to hold.

"Unable."

 

[Getonit]

I would double check that POH on the Cirrus, if it is TKS fluid, which I believe it is, I am almost 100% sure that it is to be run before entering icing conditions. This is from my experience in a Hawker and Citation S2. You take the chance of running out no matter what you do.

 

[Cpt_Kirk]

I would double check that POH on the Cirrus, if it is TKS fluid, which I believe it is, I am almost 100% sure that it is to be run before entering icing conditions. This is from my experience in a Hawker and Citation S2. You take the chance of running out no matter what you do.

I'll be sure to. I naturally turned it on before we entered the clouds (relatively thin layer). They turned it off and told me what I originally posted.

 

[weilke]

I'll be sure to. I naturally turned it on before we entered the clouds (relatively thin layer). They turned it off and told me what I originally posted.

What they told you is NOT what the TKS system POH supplement tells you to do.

http://servicecenters.cirrusdesign.com/techpubs/pdf/SR22Sup/13772-150.pdf

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[Henning]

Grabbing some more time in the Cirrus today and got close to using the weeping wing. I know it's FIKI certified, but I sure don't feel comfortable using it in ice if I had to. With boots, you can turn the system on and leave it on continuously in icing conditions. With the Cirrus, you wait until you can see ice accumulate before engaging the system so that you don't run out of fluid before you complete your flight. It's just another item to forget and one that if you do, will surely kill you.

I've never heard really good things from others about the springs in the side stick. I love it. It's an airplane you fly by the seat of your pants and not by the pressure you feel on the stick. I haven't looked into the reasoning behind the design but I believe I can see why they did it. My approaches and landings are very consistent and that's always a good thing.

I'm not a big fan of the Avidyne suite. I've got more time in the G1000 and that may be why. I know for a fact I need to be more proficient with programming the 430 as I almost got bit a couple of times because of it.

Two back seat pilots weren't a big fan of my landing flare on the middle leg. They say the aircraft doesn't need to be flared. I'm not sure I agree. I think they're worried about me scraping the tail. Can anyone else with more time in type chime in on that? Even at a full stall over the runway, I didn't feel I was anywhere near that danger with full flaps.

The XM radio is the best feature. One RNAV, one VOR DME-D to circle, and one visual to complete the day.

I'm sure glad I didn't have to hold.

"Unable."

I don't either, driving it on is poor technique for those with poor energy management skills. I remember being asked, "You do a full stall landing in a 310?" incredulous that anyone would do such a thing. "Hell yes, the plane is still flying till then." With a castering nose wheel there is no advantage to landing flat even in a crosswind. All you will do is wear stuff out faster.

 

[Cpt_Kirk]

I found this .pdf running through a bit about landing one. It said the tail won't strike until roughly 10* nose up (this pertains more towards the no-flap landing). This just confirms my suspicions.

I purposely landed really fast on my last leg. It was too hard on everything and I had to keep the nosewheel up to keep the thing from vibrating apart.

Edit: I lol'd at this:
Pilots sometimes have difficulty setting aileron and elevator trim
–One popular technique in trimming for level flight was to do the following
•Engage autopilot and engage altitude hold
•Disengage autopilot

 

[EminiTrader]

I flew a 2014 SR22 FIKI into Memphis International. I turned on the pumps first sign of icong when they put me in the clouds for the ILS. Worked wonderfully Ice came off very fast and no more developed. That was about 15 minutes on low.

Very capable aircraft. I just bought another Cirrus has TKS but no FIKI. Cant wait to go to California to get it.

Blue skies

 

[FastEddieB]

Multiple hundreds of power off, full flap, "full stall" landings in SR22's, both my own and instructing in others. Unless you're dropping it in hard, the tail is safe.

But not necessarily with partial flaps, which the POH recommends against in a CAUTION. I did have one student lightly drag the tail holding it off too long in a practice no-flap landing. But it was an AirShares plane that had a skid sticking down a few inches, and that's what dragged. So it's an open question whether without the skid we would have been fine. In any case, with partial or no flaps its best to "fly it on", though in general that's against my religion.

If I think of it, I have a few photos I may post to help clarify things.

 

[JasonM]

I know it's FIKI certified, but I sure don't feel comfortable using it in ice if I had to.

Are you sure its FIKI certified? I thought that came in 2009 which would have had the Garmin Perspective system, not the Avidyne system.

 

[FastEddieB]

Quick and dirty look at the angle that puts a Cirrus tail on the ground:

Screen shot of a touchdown that was purported to be at or near a full stall:

The POH CAUTION:

The size of the skid on the AirShares plane that dragged:

To clarify, when I say "full stall landing", I mean to touch down just about as the stick hits the rear stop. Stall warning should be sounding, and IAS should be around 60k. No need to quibble about whether it's actually a full stall or not.

 

[Cpt_Kirk]

Are you sure its FIKI certified? I thought that came in 2009 which would have had the Garmin Perspective system, not the Avidyne system.

I double checked. It's not but it did have the TKS system. The conditions weren't calling for ice and I didn't see any PIREP's but it was close. I'll be more careful next time.

Quick and dirty look at the angle that puts a Cirrus tail on the ground:

Screen shot of a touchdown that was purported to be at or near a full stall:

The POH CAUTION:

The size of the skid on the AirShares plane that dragged:

To clarify, when I say "full stall landing", I mean to touch down just about as the stick hits the rear stop. Stall warning should be sounding, and IAS should be around 60k. No need to quibble about whether it's actually a full stall or not.

Thanks for the help and info. I'll keep doing things the way I normally do unless they're sitting in with me.

 

[Henning]

I double checked. It's not but it did have the TKS system. The conditions weren't calling for ice and I didn't see any PIREP's but it was close. I'll be more careful next time.


Thanks for the help and info. I'll keep doing things the way I normally do unless they're sitting in with me.

Do not let stupid people dictate your actions.