Space aliens - my first thought was TIGHAR
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Nawww... TIGHAR doesn't have as much proof!
So, the article implies that lots of military and airline pilots have seen these UFOs. We have real military and airline pilots here. Have any of you guys seen UFOs? Have you heard of others in your profession that claim to have? Maybe it's a question for it's own thread for broader participation.
So, the article implies that lots of military and airline pilots have seen these UFOs. We have real military and airline pilots here. Have any of you guys seen UFOs? Have you heard of others in your profession that claim to have? Maybe it's a question for it's own thread for broader participation.
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I see a UFO every time I spot some NORDO taildragger at a distance.
Isn't it amazing that alien reports never come from astronomers? You know, people who look at the sky every night, and are trained to spot things that change or are unusual.
Isn't it amazing that alien reports never come from astronomers? You know, people who look at the sky every night, and are trained to spot things that change or are unusual.
Not really, the only ones I would expect to hear about aliens from would be those at SETI, the rest are working at a completely different scale. Unless ET was looking down the barrel of Hubble, they'd never see an alien.
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There are governments that have officially recognized UFO-logy. IIRC Canada is one of them as well as Mexico.
Considering the human species is not the most intelligent at times I think they would do well to be searching for intelligence on Earth.
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True, and it's possible that we are short bus species in the neighborhood. We might not be detecting any of their signals because nobody else are using antiquated EM transmitters anymore. After all, quantum tunneling communications can make for instantaneous comms at any distance including interstellar.
Scientists that act like they are much smarter than everybody else are generally eventually found to be a little dumber than everybody else. That might eventually be the case regarding UFOs and ETs as well...
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Those at SETI -- and I work with several (SETI does our outreach) -- would disagree with you.
There are lots of survey projects out there. SETI has a big one in the radio. The star formation guys have recent microwave, optical, and near infrared all-sly surveys. Not every telescope has a narrow field of view. MANY do not.
The supernovae searches specifically look for objects that appear suddenly, over a large area of sky. There are robotic instruments for doing just that at Lick, and in Chile and New Mexico. So, just how would these miss your UFO?
I've seen one although I wasn't flying at the time. I was standing on the ground at a buddies house out in the country when out of the corner of my eye a large silver sphere floated into view about 1/4 - 1/2 mile away.
We were both just standing there wondering what the heck it was. We thought it was a large balloon at first. Then it stopped floating along and just sat there in one spot.
Winds were light around 10-12 mph. With it just sitting there, not moving, for at least 2 minutes, we ruled out balloon. At that point I remembered I had binoculars in the car and we both ran over to get them. After I grabbed them and turned around, the object was gone. Couldn't see it anywhere and visibility was CAVU!
To this day we have no clue what it was. As I said, it looked like a very large, 20' diameter silver balloon about 300' off the ground. But with the way it moved and then came to a complete stop - in the wind. There's no way.
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We were both just standing there wondering what the heck it was. We thought it was a large balloon at first. Then it stopped floating along and just sat there in one spot.
Winds were light around 10-12 mph. With it just sitting there, not moving, for at least 2 minutes, we ruled out balloon. At that point I remembered I had binoculars in the car and we both ran over to get them. After I grabbed them and turned around, the object was gone. Couldn't see it anywhere and visibility was CAVU!
To this day we have no clue what it was. As I said, it looked like a very large, 20' diameter silver balloon about 300' off the ground. But with the way it moved and then came to a complete stop - in the wind. There's no way.
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I see aliens all the time, usually landscaping or roofing. They cool.
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I could make a comment about Mexico and recognizing aliens, but I won't
. I think that people are incredibly narrow-minded if they think that we are the only planet with life on it. I have a hard time beliving that some other life form has not visited our planet or know of our existence.
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Careful, there are still billions of people out there believing that Earth is a flat pancake and the sun circles it.
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True. But most of those billions probably can't read or have access to the internet, and they have no basis to think they are wrong.
True, and it's possible that we are short bus species in the neighborhood. We might not be detecting any of their signals because nobody else are using antiquated EM transmitters anymore. After all, quantum tunneling communications can make for instantaneous comms at any distance including interstellar.
Scientists that act like they are much smarter than everybody else are generally eventually found to be a little dumber than everybody else. That might eventually be the case regarding UFOs and ETs as well...
We're still on the short bus for sure, we have an evolutionary jump in thought that needs to develop before we get off the planet.
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Nah we just need to capture some aliens and steal their ride.
Scale over distance, this is far beyond needle in a haystack. Supernovas are super high bursts of energy emitting a galaxy's worth of photons. There is a huge difference between this amount of energy and that of what an intelligent species would produce. What most of the other programs are looking for is planets that may support life.
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Careful, that is an incorrect assumption.
FWIW, I liked the landscaping and roofing comment. Though they are not called "illegal aliens" anymore, now the PC sheeple call them "undocumented workers".
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Actually many, many of them have access to smart phones. There are kids who ride around with a car battery on the back of a bicycle selling phone charges in 3rd world countries. They charge the battery at night where there is power.
Wireless comms have changed the world.
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LOL, true.
But I wasn't originally talking about 3rd world countries.
Ok, cowering now, waiting for the
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Smart kids. I bet they believe in aliens.
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Umm, try again.
UFO reports are about unexplained lights or other "flying" phenomena.
Wide field telescopes are sensitive enough to find objects several orders of magnitude dimmer than the best human can see over half the sky or more. So, how are these telescopes going to miss something that a human can detect?
Try not to drift. You were supposedly responding to a question about why astronomers never seem to see "UFOs." You said they aren't looking in the right place. You were wrong.
Most supernovae are not detectable by the naked eye. The ones of interest are hundreds of millions of light years away. Even a real nearby one -- like SN1987A -- required a trained eye to see. At its peak, it was 3rd magnitude. Not exactly overpoweringly bright.
Astronomers are real good at looking at lights (defined broadly) in the sky. It's what we do. So, why is it that all "UFO" reports seem to come from elsewhere? Maybe you have people looking at the sky who don't understand it, and make the logical leap that they must be faeries?
Sometimes I get amazed at how tenaciously people can cling to a serious fallacy even when given evidence to the contrary.
Occasionally, some of these "reports" are so obviously F'd up that we get a good laugh. There was a breathless report out of Cleveland a few years ago, for instance, about a persistent bright light over Lake Erie that was rather obviously Venus. The ISS also looks like a very fast moving light, and it can be very bright. Other LEO satellites are often visible, and "Iridium flares" can make "impossibly" moving bright lights that appear and disappear. All of these are predictable and can be correlated.
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LOL, true.
But I wasn't originally talking about 3rd world countries.
Ok, cowering now, waiting for the
Third world countries as well, that's the point of the New World Order, to expand the consumer society to everyone on the planet. The Internet is how it is happening, and that is spreading around the third world through cellular type networks. That Nigerian scammer is likely working on a phone.
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What makes you think that? Just because you were once backward doesnt mean others were too. Its graven arrogance to underestimate the intelligence of others.
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It's not billions, but the number is far from zero.
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I tried reviewing that site to understand why they believe that way, but it doesn't seem well organized.
I guess it takes all types....
I even saw one signature line that said the Pope was a Flat Earther and Hitler was a believer in Round Earth, who are you going to believe? Amazing!
I need to go get a drink of water. And I'm not going to stretch it out 6 miles to see if it runs off or stays flat.
Exactly. The term UFO means it was (apparently) flying and and is unidentified.
Bright lights on the you see from the air can really be on the ground.
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If they really are here buzzing around for 50 years since Roswell, without saying a word, I have to think they're up to no good.
Never have seen one myself.
It makes sense what a TV professor said that most likely if there are UFO's here, chances are they're completely robotic. It makes little sense to hurl meat and bone across the galactic distances when tech can do it.
Never have seen one myself.
It makes sense what a TV professor said that most likely if there are UFO's here, chances are they're completely robotic. It makes little sense to hurl meat and bone across the galactic distances when tech can do it.
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That's possible. But consider where our civilization was a thousand years ago. What would a civilization look like that was a thousand years more advanced? Ten thousand years? A million? A billion? They would likely view us in the same way we view insects.
Would you try to have a conversation with a cockroach? Even if it could understand you, would it have anything to say worth your time to listen to? We are probably about as interesting to a truly ancient civilization.
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have you looked at Americans? We are a giant feedlot for aliens man. Where do think all this delicious fattening food tech comes from?
Do understand gov'ts have zero interest in letting on about a higher power. That would be like inviting British imperialists to help you rule your village.
Do understand gov'ts have zero interest in letting on about a higher power. That would be like inviting British imperialists to help you rule your village.
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have you looked at Americans? We are a giant feedlot for aliens man. Where do think all this delicious fattening food tech comes from?
Do understand gov'ts have zero interest in letting on about a higher power. That would be like inviting British imperialists to help you rule your village.
Hmmmmm.... Funny you would mention that because that's what we have with the Fed.
They're even capitalizing the 'Soilent Futures' that the government is selling aliens. That's why we're allowing all the illegals in, they're about 75 million shy of fulfilling their contract obligations. Gotta hand it to them, they even figure out how to make an alien invasion profitable.
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I googled and didnt get a hit on "Soilent Futures". Did you use the wrong word?
Should be Soylent.