SOO sick of the cityits

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So I had some flying work in KFRG a little while ago, stayed at Shletair, great folks, paid them for parking and fuel and stuff, did my work, couple days later went back home.

Well now in good NYC fashion, folks are coming to be looking for handouts, just got a "bill"' for $10 for "landing fees" at the airport, WTF?! Didn't I pay that to the FBO?

Anyone have any info on this, it's only $10 bucks, but it's the principle of the matter.


Thanks!
 
I am not finding the word, even in the internet slang dic's.
But I agree, that is chicken$hit.
 
Same thing at TEB...they mail you the landing bill...

Cityits.....great word!
 
James331 said:
So I had some flying work in KFRG a little while ago, stayed at Shletair, great folks, paid them for parking and fuel and stuff, did my work, couple days later went back home.

Well now in good NYC fashion, folks are coming to be looking for handouts, just got a "bill"' for $10 for "landing fees" at the airport, WTF?! Didn't I pay that to the FBO?

Anyone have any info on this, it's only $10 bucks, but it's the principle of the matter.


Thanks!
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I had the same thing at Essex County in NJ (CDW).

Got charged a $10 fee by the FBO even after topping off (not enough fuel apparently) and then a few days later, I get a bill in the mail for another $10 for a 'landing fee'.

I've heard much of NJ is that way, but didn't realize it had spread to NY.
 
Is there a place where these fees are listed somewhere? How can someone bill you after the fact if you weren't made aware of the cost before hand?
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
City-idiots?
maybe not City related at all?
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Oh it's cityits, we don't get that garbage up north, people work for their money.

Can I make a money order (don't have checks) out for $12 instead of 10, never cash the return and jam up their stupid little system? Just trying to think of the biggest PITA I can make for them without wasting too much of my time, energy, or money.
 
PBOR 3

"All airports with implemented or planning to implement landings fees must;
a) Publish them in the airport facility directory;
b) Fees must be collected at the time of landing or departure and not after the fact;
c) Clearly noted at each airport entrance/exit;
d) Every effort made to make payment easy and convenient for operators.
 
James331 said:
Oh it's cityits, we don't get that garbage up north, people work for their money.

Can I make a money order (don't have checks) out for $12 instead of 10, never cash the return and jam up their stupid little system? Just trying to think of the biggest PITA I can make for them without wasting too much of my time, energy, or money.
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Get $10 from your bank in pennies. Send it in a box.
 
I've had the same thing at FRG. They mail you the landing fee bill. In contrast, at HPN the FBOs collect the landing fee in addition to their own.

It was 2.50 for a single engine Cessna though.


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A few options I can come up with:
1. Tell them to stick it. I get so sick of these places thinking they can bill you after the fact. If there's a landing fee. TELL ME WHEN I LAND/PAY MY FUEL BILL!!!
2. Send them a bill for bad fuel.
3. Tell them it wasn't you. Make them prove that is was.
4. File a complaint with the local FSDO
5. Send them a check for $3.01 ($6.99 shipping and handling since they made you send it by mail instead of asking for it while you were there.)
 
-RANT ON-
I was based at a particular airport for 14 years (a privately-owned, uncontrolled, public-use GA airport). I sent a nice gift basket for the line crew and office staff every Christmas, and was generally happy with the service. On Saturday mornings there was always a group of 10 to 15 pilots that would show up at the main terminal for some hangar flying and around 11 am the lunch plans were made. Then about 10 planes would depart for a lunch run to one of the usual places. When I moved to a nearby fly-in community, I took the time to send the airport staff a letter thanking them for the great service over the years and said that I still considered myself a friend of the airport.

So, a couple of months after my move, I flew over on a Saturday to meet up with the lunch bunch. I was planning on flying my plane to lunch, but somehow got roped into riding with someone else. When I got back to the terminal after lunch and was getting ready to leave, the girl at the counter (who I didn't recognize), called out to me. It turns out that I owe them a $10 ramp fee. Really? She said they would waive it if I buy fuel. I explained that I was planning on buying fuel after lunch, but my tanks were full and couldn't take on more than a gallon or two. Well, then you owe $10. I paid it, but let them no that it didn't sit well with me. I get the fact that I'm not a tenant anymore, but charging me $10 to park on a virtually empty ramp for 1.5 hours seems a bit much.

It's not the money. I've got ten bucks. It's the friggin principle of the matter. Over 14 years, I paid them approximately $67,200 for hangar rental alone, not to mention to fuel I purchased (don't make me add that up). I was part of a social group that flew a lot and bought a lot of fuel from them. I had come over that day for some fellowship with my friends at my old stomping ground, and ended up feeling very unwelcome. I have only been back a handful of times since then.

-RANT OFF-
 
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Come to think about it I did get a flat tire while taxing there, perhaps it was something on their taxiways, think I might print up a bill for them :)
 
Good job you are not flying in the UK I understand that the landing fee at Farnborough is fifty pounds! Not as high at other places, but a lot higher than the figures quoted here. Has anyone flown into Key West recently? I thought that I read about a high landing fee, waived if you bought their very expensive avgas.
 
Yep, it's $2.50 per landing at FRG.

The flight school I rent from charges me, but I figure it comes from the government not the FBO.
 
Landing fee is billed by NYS DOT, not the FBO. The only time an FBO might charge you is if you are flying a plane registered to them in which case they get the DOT bill so they need to collect from you. What's the big deal with $2.50 per landing in a busy metro airport. I really don't get this.
 
You might try sending the bill for the flat tire if you can prove it was caused by FOD on their runway/taxiway.

Yeah, In New Mexico I got a bill from the city for $75.00 for overnight parking. I parked in buzzards row, a long way away from everything, and there was no N number on the bill. I sent it back and told them I do not have a plane without an N number, and that they need to prove it was my plane.

Haven't heard from them since.
 
FBOs are often not transparent or truthful about what's a fee from the airport vs what they're just making up and charging on their own as part of a "ramp fee", hence some of the surprise bills after leaving the FBO. It's easier to say "Oh it's a landing fee for the airport so we have to charge that" vs saying its a ramp fee that they came up with on their own.

I've flown into KFRG before and yeah it's $2.50 from the airport (or specifically from the state). Some airports in RI and NJ have much higher fees, but they usually get waived if you just visit the airport facilities like the restaurant (Block Island is like that).
 
Glen R said:
Landing fee is billed by NYS DOT, not the FBO. The only time an FBO might charge you is if you are flying a plane registered to them in which case they get the DOT bill so they need to collect from you. What's the big deal with $2.50 per landing in a busy metro airport. I really don't get this.
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I for one enjoy the fees/taxes that are associated with doing business somewhere. I especially love it when I get a hotel room for $149.00 a night, and find out that there are $30 taxes added to it at the end. It's like a surprise with every invoice!!

I do love "convenience" fees too.
Paying for recycling fees when you buy a new car battery?? Those are the best.
I actually had to pay for recycling of water bottles when I bought them in Canada. I almost immigrated.

Please let me know where I can find more fees!
 
Subsea said:
I for one enjoy the fees/taxes that are associated with doing business somewhere. I especially love it when I get a hotel room for $149.00 a night, and find out that there are $30 taxes added to it at the end. It's like a surprise with every invoice!!

I do love "convenience" fees too.
Paying for recycling fees when you buy a new car battery?? Those are the best.
I actually had to pay for recycling of water bottles when I bought them in Canada. I almost immigrated.

Please let me know where I can find more fees!
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Go register a trailer you built with your own hands. They will find fees to force on you including the taxable value of the thing.
 
rocketflyer84 said:
FBOs are often not transparent or truthful about what's a fee from the airport vs what they're just making up and charging on their own as part of a "ramp fee", hence some of the surprise bills after leaving the FBO. It's easier to say "Oh it's a landing fee for the airport so we have to charge that" vs saying its a ramp fee that they came up with on their own.

I've flown into KFRG before and yeah it's $2.50 from the airport (or specifically from the state). Some airports in RI and NJ have much higher fees, but they usually get waived if you just visit the airport facilities like the restaurant (Block Island is like that).
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In other words known as a AP for the FBO.....Additional Profit for the FBO....
 
bnt83 said:
PBOR 3

"All airports with implemented or planning to implement landings fees must;
a) Publish them in the airport facility directory;
b) Fees must be collected at the time of landing or departure and not after the fact;
c) Clearly noted at each airport entrance/exit;
d) Every effort made to make payment easy and convenient for operators.
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What is this PBOR 3? Given that the fee was assessed by the NY DOT, finding if they are violating regulations would likely have the biggest impact.
 
PBOR I know as pilot's bill of rights...but 3? Got me. I'm guessing he is writing his own new PBOR.
 
Glen R said:
I really don't get this.
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I think the point is that it's a backdoor charge. You don't know about it until after the fact. It's not published in the A/FD nor on the door of the FBO. You just magically receive an invoice in the mail.

I equate this to if the NY Thruway, a toll road, had no toll gates and no signs at all to alert you that it's a toll road. So I, as a Missouri boy, drive across NY only to come home to a $50 invoice in my mailbox for using NY roads. That'd be just as big of a crock of BS as unpublished landing fees are.

Similarly, Signature at Spirit of St. Louis Airport (SUS) has unpublished ramp fees. I was there one day and asked three employees what their fee was...got three different answers! I don't go there no mo.

bnt83 said:
PBOR 3
"All airports with implemented or planning to implement landings fees must;
a) Publish them in the airport facility directory;
b) Fees must be collected at the time of landing or departure and not after the fact;
c) Clearly noted at each airport entrance/exit;
d) Every effort made to make payment easy and convenient for operators.
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This idea rocks! Especially a).
 
I don't see how they should be able to collect a fee from anyone without there being some notice that a fee exists and how much that fee is.

It's like if I went into a bar that had no signs posted and when I went to pay my bill there was a $50 cover charge nobody told me about tacked on. Dishonest business practices....and the dollar amount isn't even the point as the OP said.
 
bnt83 said:
PBOR 3
"All airports with implemented or planning to implement landings fees must;
a) Publish them in the airport facility directory and announce it on ATIS/asos.
b) Fees must be collected at the time of landing or departure and not after the fact;
c) Clearly noted at each airport entrance/exit.
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Flight schools in KFRG go do their T/Gs in KISP because of the $2.50 landing fee.
 
creweite said:
Good job you are not flying in the UK I understand that the landing fee at Farnborough is fifty pounds! Not as high at other places, but a lot higher than the figures quoted here. Has anyone flown into Key West recently? I thought that I read about a high landing fee, waived if you bought their very expensive avgas.
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European landing fees are insane for GA. Bratislava charged us 280EUR for landing and overnight parking.

Key West wasn't bad, 20-30USD for day's parking if I remember correctly. KMIA and KTPA were more.
 
I went to Republic I think 9/3. The old owner of the plane got the landing bill. I've had the plane over a year. The following is my conversation with airport operations:

"I recently flew to Republic, and it looks like the prior owner of the plane got the landing fee instead of me"

"What do you want me to do about it?" [In a typical LI moron/tough guy accent]

"Send it to me?"

Got such a kick out of that. When he looked up my tail number he got the right name and address.
 
my office in Delaware never forwards them to me so no big deal
 
James331 said:
So I had some flying work in KFRG a little while ago, stayed at Shletair, great folks, paid them for parking and fuel and stuff,...just got a "bill"' for $10 for "landing fees" at the airport, WTF?! Didn't I pay that to the FBO?
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Got a receipt?
 
kayoh190 said:
Is there a place where these fees are listed somewhere? How can someone bill you after the fact if you weren't made aware of the cost before hand?
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"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"
 
James331 said:
So I had some flying work in KFRG a little while ago, stayed at Shletair, great folks, paid them for parking and fuel and stuff, did my work, couple days later went back home.

Well now in good NYC fashion, folks are coming to be looking for handouts, just got a "bill"' for $10 for "landing fees" at the airport, WTF?! Didn't I pay that to the FBO?

Anyone have any info on this, it's only $10 bucks, but it's the principle of the matter.


Thanks!
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That airport has landing fees noted in Airnav and the FBO you named says no ramp fees if you spend a minimum. What's so hard to understand about getting a bill for landing?
 
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