Small GA airport security. Again....

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Alan Conner, a member of the Clark County Regional Airport's governing board, is among those who believe it's time for that to change.

A poorly guarded airport — even one with small, private planes — can put people at risk “when you're 30 seconds from downtown Louisville and a couple of minutes from Fort Knox” by business jet, said Conner, whose board voted in November to create an advisory committee that will include local government officials and police to propose new security measures.
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How could someone so profoundly ignorant of aviation be a member of an airport governing board?
 
Bob Noel said:
How could someone so profoundly ignorant of aviation be a member of an airport governing board?
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Do people in positions of power in other areas generally have a clue what they're talking about? :dunno:
 
Because, as any fool knows, al Queda spends most of its working hours trying to plan an attack on Louisville KY.:rolleyes:
 
Pilawt said:
All Mr. Conner knows about general aviation he learned from watching "Goldfinger" ...
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This is our (and the media) fault.

Then again, it is the public's fault too. They want sensationalist (aka "yellow") journalism.

What are we to do to combat it?

What are we to do to remind public officials that people, regular people, want to fly?

How do we tell people it's not just a rich person's hobby?

How do we tell people, and the press, that we want (and do) help others?

These are all public relations policy questions. You can offer your suggestions, I'm game to try.
 
JesseD said:
This is our (and the media) fault.

Then again, it is the public's fault too. They want sensationalist (aka "yellow") journalism.

What are we to do to combat it?

What are we to do to remind public officials that people, regular people, want to fly?

How do we tell people it's not just a rich person's hobby?

How do we tell people, and the press, that we want (and do) help others?

These are all public relations policy questions. You can offer your suggestions, I'm game to try.
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Excellent points and questions! That is exactly what I try to do here. Get more people airborne, advertise more discovery flights, talk about security with friends, generally try to make a lot of positive GA noise.

Ryan
 
JesseD said:
This is our (and the media) fault.

Then again, it is the public's fault too. They want sensationalist (aka "yellow") journalism.

What are we to do to combat it?

What are we to do to remind public officials that people, regular people, want to fly?

How do we tell people it's not just a rich person's hobby?

How do we tell people, and the press, that we want (and do) help others?

These are all public relations policy questions. You can offer your suggestions, I'm game to try.
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Fly a reporter. You will find they JUMP at the chance. Do a discovery flight with them. Let them fly. Show them slow flight and then pull the power and show them it does not fall from the sky. Take them to a quiet little airport for a couple T&Gs, and then to a towered airport so they can see that, large or small, airports have order.

The last time I did this I got an effusive thank you email from the reporter -- and reporters NEVER do this -- in which she said she went back to the newsroom and was talking about how amazing it was and everyone on the staff was so jealous etc.

Now go win some friends!
 
January 5 2002 is not remembered like September 11 2001 because of the choice of aircraft.

Cold hard fact.

Tampa_plane_crash.jpg


The impact killed the pilot and damaged an office room. There were no other injuries. The 172 was not reuseable.

And this is what they are afraid of.
 
Reporter Ben Hershberg can be reached at (812) 949-4032.
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Call his phone, get every pilot or owner to call his phone
 
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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
January 5 2002 is not remembered like September 11 2001 because of the choice of aircraft.

Cold hard fact.

Tampa_plane_crash.jpg


The impact killed the pilot and damaged an office room. There were no other injuries. The 172 was not reuseable.

And this is what they are afraid of.
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I wonder why nobody talks about the things which are done, intentionally or under the influence of drugs, with cars!? So many innocent persons die because of people using their cars to commit suicide, road rage or because they are so full of drugs that they loose control of their vehicle.

In Italy a guy killed 8 cyclists with his car:
http://www.policeone.com/vehicle-incidents/articles/3016154-Police-Driver-stoned-in-crash-killing-8-Italian-cyclists/

I wonder, what would happen if a canned pilot would kill 8 persons with his plane...
 
EdFred said:
Call his phone, get every pilot or owner to call his phone
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Thanks for the number. I called him. He was a complete ass. He was very defensive and didn't listen to one bit I was saying. He kept talking about purdue and tsa studies.

Moron.
 
Ken Ibold said:
Fly a reporter. You will find they JUMP at the chance. Do a discovery flight with them. Let them fly. Show them slow flight and then pull the power and show them it does not fall from the sky. Take them to a quiet little airport for a couple T&Gs, and then to a towered airport so they can see that, large or small, airports have order.

The last time I did this I got an effusive thank you email from the reporter -- and reporters NEVER do this -- in which she said she went back to the newsroom and was talking about how amazing it was and everyone on the staff was so jealous etc.

Now go win some friends!
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I tried this with a few papers here. Two claimed that their policies do not allow it.
 
EdFred said:
Call his phone, get every pilot or owner to call his phone
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I just did, but if you do, please be polite but firm. Apparently the last caller was obscene and the fellow thanked me for at least being polite.

Ryan
 
I think the big problem here is politician ego... they want to feel important, relevant, and they want to show that they're "doing something."
Hence, they conjure a "problem" from thin air, and then: lo and behold, they will be able to provide a solution for this freshly created problem! Gosh, what a bunch of problem solving leaders.
 
By the way, I just called him, had a nice chat, and found out that a couple of guys were total creeps to him on the phone.
Being a douchebag to member of the press is not a good way to foster goodwill.
Please, if you plan on calling a reporter, don't be that guy.
 
RyanShort1 said:
Excellent points and questions! That is exactly what I try to do here. Get more people airborne, advertise more discovery flights, talk about security with friends, generally try to make a lot of positive GA noise.

Ryan
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Excellent ideas! Maybe offer it to local politicians too?

Take time out to go to schools?

Convince the local FBO's to "advertise" in high school newspapers?

In general try to generate more influx to "good" flight schools. Yeah, we'd be doing it for free, but the more people with a positive outlook on an activity the more noise is made when you try to limit it.
 
From AOPA's email. They seem to think it won't be too bad this time around.
 
Heck, if they actually can help to keep the TSA off our backs, I'll happily pay the increase. We'll see.
 
I read the study that the reported kept referring to. It really has very little to do with GA airports - it is specifically about very large airplanes at GA airports. That's all. The reporter it a dolt. I doubt he actually read the study/findings.
 
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JesseD said:
Excellent ideas! Maybe offer it to local politicians too?

Take time out to go to schools?

Convince the local FBO's to "advertise" in high school newspapers?

In general try to generate more influx to "good" flight schools. Yeah, we'd be doing it for free, but the more people with a positive outlook on an activity the more noise is made when you try to limit it.
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Exactly. We need to make the airports more accessible, and take the risk of inviting MORE people to participate. It this was common, like cars, then people would be a lot more outraged. The more we look like the elite (and if you know me, I'm NOT!) the more people don't care if and when we get hurt. It's all about the current public perception.

Ryan
 
My wife and I supplied the fuel for my 182 and I flew on two seperate days to give rides at $20. a seat. At the end of those two days the families told me that they had received $1700. This money was given to a young woman that owned a little flower shop in our small town. She had throat cancer and didn't have insurance to cover the bills. This event got a nice write up in the local paper and helped GA as well as this young family. Some family members took care of collecting the money so I didn't have anything to do with that. Some people in the community didn't go on an airplane ride, but it gave them an avenue to give this young gal a donation. This plus other things that I have done keeps me from having problems like this post is all about.
 
ScottM said:
Why are we getting a tube of lube with the increase in AOPA dues?
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Because the FAA is smart enough to keep stringing AOPA along with the User Fees line of bullpuckey that they keep swallowing and devoting all their energies to, leaving all their other initiatives relatively unmolested.
 
bbchien said:
That's a mistake. "we won't use our strategic bombers on you GA guys, I promise....."
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"airport body scanners will only be used for secondary screening"

"i'm from the government, i'm here to help you"
 
wsuffa said:
"airport body scanners will only be used for secondary screening"

"i'm from the government, i'm here to help you"
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"We're not happy until you're not happy."
 
"The government says it's safe, so it must be safe."
 
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