Singing Computer -- HELP!

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While attending the monthly EAA #87 meeting tonight my PC was running at home. Upon returning it's still running and fully operative; however, it's singing. ??????????????

When I came through the door I could hear a "doo - dee / doo - dee" continuous beeping. The beep tones are exactly one octave apart. ?????

I shut the system down and then rebooted. It started the same sounds. What the blazes is it telling me? Is some backup battery going bad and I'm being signaled? Or what!!!

HR
 
You have to contact the manufacturer (or look on their Web site) and see what the code means. If I had to guess, I would say one of the cooling fans bit the dust. But that would be a guess.

I suggest turning it off until you get the problem resolved.

-Rich
 
Thanks for the quick response. The cooling fan at back of the box is working.
Other observations from anyone?

HR
 
There are other fans. There is one on the processor, and possibly one on the chipset and/or the video processor. There might also be one on the cabinet (in addition to the one or two in the power supply). So it could still be a fan. Or maybe not.

If you can get into BIOS setup, poke around. There may be a category for System Health, or an Event Log.

-Rich
 
Presuming you're running Windows, you may also look at the System Events in the Event Viewer to see if there's anything there. Where that's found depends on the version of Windows that you're running. Other operating systems have similar logs.
 
RJM and Grant:

Windows XP Home. I rebooted and before the Windows screen came up was the usual data information and: 'Hardware Monitor found an error. Enter Power setup for details."

I did that, not necessarily knowing what I was to analyze. I optioned the Return to Default Configuration button. It rebooted and a message came up from Microsoft and did I wish to "Send error notification"(or something like that). Shortly, an advisory came back to (a) check for latest updates; (b) run a virus scan; (c) check Hard Disk.

I checked for updates(though I'm setup for auto updates) and the Express indicated 7 security updates for XP and 1 something else for September 2010. Those got downloaded, installed, and Restarted.

Still hearing the perfect octave double beeps. But e-mail and other non e-mail related programs are operative.

HR (Haven't done the virus scan)
 
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It sounds like you hear the tones before Windows starts. If so, ignore my earlier advice; it's hardware related any you need to get the decoding of the tones from the hardware manufacturer. Hmmm, kind of like Rich suggested from the beginning! :)
 
Restoring the default configuration is unlikely to cure any problem, with the exception of BIOS misconfiguration due to tweaking gone bad. The defaults are more of a starting point for the mobo and integrated peripherals that should allow an operating system to be installed with a minimum of errors. Many system builders only use the defaults for OS installation, and then tweak the BIOS settings for optimal performance for the particular finished machine.

My point is that the alarm you're experiencing doesn't indicate a misconfiguration. It indicates a problem with a particular piece of hardware. Some errors cause the machine to fail POST (Power-On Self Test), and you'll be left staring at a BIOS screen. Others allow the machine to boot, but save the information to a log. Others provide that information to the OS but require that special software available from the mobo manufacturer be installed to access it. But in all cases, an alarm strongly suggests a problem that, if not addressed, will eventually damage your computer and/or cause data loss.

So again, the best thing to do is turn off the computer and use another one to get on the manufacturer's Web site (or the motherboard manufacturer's Web site) and find out if the code has a specific meaning. A riskier approach (because it means starting the computer in its damaged state) is to get back into BIOS and look for a section called Hardware Monitor (or System Monitor, System Health, or something along those lines).

If you choose the second option, report exactly what the Hardware Monitor says, line by line. Also look for something called S.M.A.R.T. and see what it has to say, although it may only tell you "enabled" or "disabled."

The most common causes for alarms that still allow the machine to POST and boot to the OS are temperature-related, such as a bad fan (or something else, like schmutz in a heat sink) that's causing something to overheat; power supply voltages that are out of range; or a failing hard drive. There are also other possibilities, such as the failure of some integrated peripheral or another.

Most of the problems that cause alarms can be fixed inexpensively if addressed immediately, or can ruin your computer if ignored. Fans are cheap and canned air is cheap, and one or the other will solve about three-quarters of these problems. But if it is a heat-related problem and you don't address it promptly, then the chances are that whatever component that's not being cooled properly will be damaged.

That damage may or may not show up immediately; it may die altogether and cause the computer not to boot, or it may only affect the component when its under heavy load. But one way or another, excess heat will eventually damage an electronic component.

It's also possible that your monitoring problem is just that: a monitoring problem. For example, the Hardware Monitor may report zero RPM on a fan that's spinning just fine. In that case, either there's a loose connection to the fan, the fan's speed sensor is shot, or (least likely) there's a problem on the mobo that's preventing it from reading the RPM correctly. Checking the connection is the first thing to do. If that doesn't work, change the fan, even though it's spinning properly. If it's a CPU or chipset fan, you may want to call a pro. If you want to change a CPU or chipset cooler yourself, this page about installing a CPU cooler may be helpful.

But again, don't ignore the alarm. It's telling you that the motherboard's onboard diagnostics have detected something wrong that may have the potential to ruin your computer.

-Rich
 
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Could try reseating vid card and sound card and check plugs
Sent from my iphone
 
Read what Rich wrote very carefully.

It's not in your best interest to keep using the computer with this problem. If you know someone that has some knowledge about PC hardware and BIOSes they'll be able to figure it out pretty quickly.

If you're comfortable - go into the BIOS again and look around to see if it says the error anywhere. Don't change anything.
 
Thanks for all the responses. I took a look at the systems data (POWER Setup). MB appeared to be in (what do I know?) normal operating temperatures. However, the CPU data was in red letters XX° C/ 245°F . I shut the sucker down!!!
Then, after taking one of the covers off the box -- the CPU fan was non-operative.

Wednesday morning I took it to the shop which had done prior maintenance; got it back today -- new CPU fan. Better yet, CPU is fine.

To keep this post aviation-related, note that before I retrieved the PC I took my plane's LOGS to Wiscasset Airport. Some maintenance had been done re my carb heat section of the Power Flow tuned exhaust. In the hangar where mine had been sitting was a gorgeous twin-engine a/c. N808BB. Nice owner. I'm to understand the plane will be staying there for use as an alternate for some type of training. You can research the tail #, but does the term "Bailey Bullet" ring any bells?

HR
 
I'm pretty sure that F.Lee Bailey was in the business of modifying twins for high performance for a while. Probably one of those.
 
Thanks for all the responses. I took a look at the systems data (POWER Setup). MB appeared to be in (what do I know?) normal operating temperatures. However, the CPU data was in red letters XX° C/ 245°F . I shut the sucker down!!!
Then, after taking one of the covers off the box -- the CPU fan was non-operative.

Wednesday morning I took it to the shop which had done prior maintenance; got it back today -- new CPU fan. Better yet, CPU is fine.

. . . .

Yikes. That's pretty hot. Looks like you dodged the bullet if there's really no CPU damage. I'm surprised both at the lack of damage, and that the machine let it run that hot before shutting it down.

-Rich
 
The oddity is that, though I had been away to/from the EAA meeting for about four hours -- the PC running full backups on both Memeo(to my WD ext. HD) and Carbonite[need to protect those thousands of large images] -- who's to know just when the CPU fan quit working. I do know that when I rebooted the next morning all appeared normal at 8:43. But at 8:56, the "Doo - Dee" beeps restarted. Again, who knows how long the CPU had been cooking the night before? Shut down and off to the PC doctor.

HR(amazing how many e-mails can amass in 36 hours)
 
The oddity is that, though I had been away to/from the EAA meeting for about four hours -- the PC running full backups on both Memeo(to my WD ext. HD) and Carbonite[need to protect those thousands of large images] -- who's to know just when the CPU fan quit working. I do know that when I rebooted the next morning all appeared normal at 8:43. But at 8:56, the "Doo - Dee" beeps restarted. Again, who knows how long the CPU had been cooking the night before? Shut down and off to the PC doctor.

HR(amazing how many e-mails can amass in 36 hours)

Then most likely the fan speed wasn't being monitored, and the alarm was triggered by the thermal sensor for the CPU. I always wonder why so many system builders use this configuration: They disable the fan monitoring, which means that you won't get an alarm until the CPU temp is approaching critical. That's dumb. The life of the single most expensive chip in the system depends solely on a fan that costs a few bucks, which isn't even monitored. Most motherboards support fan speed monitoring. To not use it makes no sense to me.

When I build computers, I always enable fan monitoring. I also use huge CPU coolers with massive heat sinks (they resemble the heads on a Harley), large cases, chipset coolers with generous heat sinks, and manly case fans. The airflow generated by the case fans, coupled with the huge heat sinks, provides a little extra safety margin if the CPU fan craps out. Not enough that I'd run the machine that way for long, but hopefully enough to be able to avoid damage while shutting it down.

All the extra fans make for noisy computers that draw a few watts more power than otherwise. But the noise doesn't bother me (it's kind of soothing, actually, like the "whooosh" produced by white noise generators), and the difference in power consumption for a few low-voltage DC fans is pretty trivial in the big scheme of things.

-Rich
 
Then most likely the fan speed wasn't being monitored, and the alarm was triggered by the thermal sensor for the CPU.

That sensor would throttle the CPU down, and eventually shut it down. There'd be a noticeable drop in performance during this process. That's why the CPU is still "alive". Big heat sinks delay this process, but won't stop it. Intel chips start this process at 100C (212F). I don't know about AMD's - 245F is really hot. Anyway, all's well that ends well. :)
 
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