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Salty

Salty

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You are a CFI.
You do not currently meet the requirements for night flight with passengers. (Less than 3 landings in the last 90 days)

Can you instruct a private student pilot, at night, if they are night current, and they remain sole manipulator of the controls?
 
Salty said:
You are a CFI.
You do not currently meet the requirements for night flight with passengers. (Less than 3 landings in the last 90 days)

Can you instruct a private student pilot, at night, if they are night current, and remain sole manipulator of the controls?
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I'm not sure if you are posting this sincerely or just to stir the pot...

But as been discussed numerous times, a student is not considered a passenger. Neither the CFI nor the student need be night current to be legal.
 
midwestpa24 said:
I'm not sure if you are posting this sincerely or just to stir the pot...

But as been discussed numerous times, a student is not considered a passenger. Neither the CFI nor the student need be night current to be legal.
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Can’t I sincerely stir the pot?
 
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This is one of my regular CFI's favorite loopholes to bring up.
 
Honestly, I did forget that students aren’t passengers. It’s so freaking stupid, but most of the regs are.
 
Salty said:
Honestly, I did forget that students aren’t passengers. It’s so freaking stupid, but most of the regs are.
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Salty said:
You are a CFI.
You do not currently meet the requirements for night flight with passengers. (Less than 3 landings in the last 90 days)

Can you instruct a private student pilot, at night, if they are night current, and they remain sole manipulator of the controls?
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Salty said:
Honestly, I did forget that students aren’t passengers. It’s so freaking stupid, but most of the regs are.
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No argument from me. Honestly when I became a CFI, it had been years since I flew at night. Just never had much need for it when the sun sets after 9:00 PM during the best flying weather here, and the weather usually sucks when it sets at 4:30 PM.
 
Doc Holliday said:
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Anybody that thinks it makes sense that a student isn't a passenger, and that it makes sense that the currency rule doesn't apply if the passenger is a student is pretty naive.
 
Salty said:
Anybody that thinks it makes sense that a student isn't a passenger, and that it makes sense that the currency rule doesn't apply if the passenger is a student is pretty naive.
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Yep, all these rules and regulations must have been instated after you got your certificate. How dare they!
 
Salty said:
Can’t I sincerely stir the pot?
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There is something amiss
I am being insincere
In fact I don't mean any of this
Still my confession draws you near
To confuse the issue I refer
To familiar heroes from long ago
No matter how much Peter loved her
What made the Pan refuse to grow

Was the hook brings you back
I ain't tellin' you no lie
The hook brings you back
On that you can rely​
 
Doc Holliday said:
Yep, all these rules and regulations must have been instated after you got your certificate. How dare they!
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I have no idea who you are responding too, but your post certainly makes no sense as a response to mine. It's a pretty solid straw man argument though. Or perhaps non-sequitur.
 
Salty said:
Anybody that thinks it makes sense that a student isn't a passenger, and that it makes sense that the currency rule doesn't apply if the passenger is a student is pretty naive.
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If the passenger is a student, the currency rule does apply.
 
Salty said:
But you used the word passenger also.
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I used the word passenger because you put a passenger into the scenario. A Pilot receiving instruction is not a passenger, but a passenger is still a passenger regardless of certificates held.
 
MauleSkinner said:
I used the word passenger because you put a passenger into the scenario. A Pilot receiving instruction is not a passenger, but a passenger is still a passenger regardless of certificates held.
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Restating to avoid the trigger word

Anybody that thinks it makes sense that a student isn't a passenger, and that it makes sense that the currency rule doesn't apply if the person who is not PIC and is at the mercy of the PIC, happens to be a student, is pretty naive.
 
Salty said:
Restating to avoid the trigger word

Anybody that thinks it makes sense that a student isn't a passenger, and that it makes sense that the currency rule doesn't apply if the person who is not PIC and is at the mercy of the PIC, happens to be a student, is pretty naive.
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Anybody who thinks a student is necessarily at the mercy of an instructor either is or has had some really ****ty instructors.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Anybody who thinks a student is necessarily at the mercy of an instructor either is or has had some really ****ty instructors.
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The FAA believes that an instructor should have 3 landings in 90 days in order to carry a passenger with them.
The FAA believes that same instructor does not need to have any recent landings in order to carry a student with them.

This is stupid. If you disagree, you are being obtuse or naive.

A student is no less at the mercy of an instructor than a passenger is.
 
Salty said:
The FAA believes that an instructor should have 3 landings in 90 days in order to carry a passenger with them.
The FAA believes that same instructor does not need to have any recent landings in order to carry a student with them.

This is stupid. If you disagree, you are being obtuse or naive.
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I just don’t happen to believe that currency and safety are synonymous.
 
MauleSkinner said:
I just don’t happen to believe that currency and safety are synonymous.
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I agree with that. But then that just means you think it's the first statement in my last post that's silly rather than the second one.
 
Salty said:
I agree with that. But then that just means you think it's the first statement in my last post that's silly rather than the second one.
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No, because the reg has more to do with the person who’s not the instructor than the instructor.
 
An issue I have with the night currency regulation is that it is a “one size fits all” designed for the lowest common denominator. As a working pilot, I take checkrides every six months and can have a dozen night landings in the jet, but have to go up and do three laps around the pattern in the Pilatus to keep the FAA happy because the reg is written for the 100 hour private pilot.
 
Dave Theisen said:
An issue I have with the night currency regulation is that it is a “one size fits all” designed for the lowest common denominator. As a working pilot, I take checkrides every six months and can have a dozen night landings in the jet, but have to go up and do three laps around the pattern in the Pilatus to keep the FAA happy because the reg is written for the 100 hour private pilot.
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…and more than likely your night currency in the jet is good for 12 months.
 
MauleSkinner said:
…and more than likely your night currency in the jet is good for 12 months.
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Exactly. If I’ve been to sim training in the past 12 months and have flown 15 hours in the previous 90 days, I don’t need any night time at all.
 
Passengers are more important than students?
 
I’m going to be like the dude from Memento and get all the FAR’s tattoo’d on me so I remember them each day.
 
eman1200 said:
I’m going to be like the dude from Memento and get all the FAR’s tattoo’d on me so I remember them each day.
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Don't forget all the Legal Interpretations that sometimes bend or add to the FARs.
 
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