Short tempered pilots

brien23

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I have noticed more short tempered pilots calling out pilots for small mistakes. I do not remember this years ago as prevalent as it is today. Worst of all somebody cuts another off and the offended pilot goes into a long rant about it, blocking any other information. Is it just me in my old age or have others noticed the lack of civility on the radio.
 
No different than the highways.... Road Rage, Air Rage... Same difference...:goofy:
 
Twin_Flyer said:
No different than the highways.... Road Rage, Air Rage... Same difference...:goofy:
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Except the hot-head won't chase you down as you try to get away. And with ADS-B around the corner it's easier to get registration numbers off a plane than a car.
 
Yeah, too many goobers having conversations on CTAF, holier than thou'ing someone. STFU, please. . .
 
brien23 said:
I have noticed more short tempered pilots calling out pilots for small mistakes. I do not remember this years ago as prevalent as it is today. Worst of all somebody cuts another off and the offended pilot goes into a long rant about it, blocking any other information. Is it just me in my old age or have others noticed the lack of civility on the radio.
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Sorry Brien, that jack-wad in the Super-Duper Cub that dove underneath me on base to final just scared the crap out of me. The utterance on the radio was purely accidental. When I confronted him on the ground, he said he was late for his appointment with Customs and his radio doesn't tune to 123.075Mhz. But, no punches were traded and I even complimented his cool paint scheme.
 
In the East, a person who looses their temper, even for a good reason, looses face. I try very hard to maintain an even temper, especially in the aircraft. Pilots have to be frosty cool. Can't ever let pax see you sweat. Makes them nervous.
 
Haven't run across any hot heads that loose their temper. Most folks are very courteous.
 
I had a grouchy unicom guy a few months ago.

Me and a "warbird" (I don't know 'em, but it was a low wing something) were in the pattern. I was on short final, he'd just entered downwind. We're making all the right calls, everyone's happy.

I'm rolling out, just touched down, and I get "Aircraft that just landed, other people need to use that runway, please expidite your turn off."

wtf? Friends with the warbird owner?
 
Pulling up to runway at an uncontrolled airport a few weeks ago a guy makes a call "7 miles out, on right base for 05". There was another person in the proper pattern on a left base, so we held short and waiting for that guy to land. As he crossed the threshold we see the plane coming in like a bat out of hell on the right base, and then we hear a call, "left base for 05". I asked " do you mean right base?", and got a "No, I'm on left base" back. So I continued to hold short and informed him of the traffic on a right base nearing the turn to final. Crickets from the radio..... He comes blasting in and slams on the brakes and gets off on the first turnoff. There is no other plane in the pattern.

I wanted to ***** him out something fierce, but I only said "this field is left traffic for 05 due to skydiving operations south of the field" and left it at that. The jerk just did it to land in front of me getting out..... But I held my tongue.
 
Someone just hacked Shep's account, y'all.
 
I made my call the other day... "Taylor Traffic, Cessna 098 is 4 miles to the southeast, inbound for runway 17, Taylor". A guy came back on the radio and said, "Nice first call, 4 miles, really?" I laughed and told him, well, since I just took off from a private field that is exactly 4.3 miles southeast of the Taylor Airport, and I didn't feel like flying 6 miles further southeast to make a 10 mile call, I thought it was appropriate. To his credit, he laughed and said sorry. I thought it was funny.
 
brien23 said:
I have noticed more short tempered pilots calling out pilots for small mistakes. I do not remember this years ago as prevalent as it is today. Worst of all somebody cuts another off and the offended pilot goes into a long rant about it, blocking any other information. Is it just me in my old age or have others noticed the lack of civility on the radio.
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We had a similar situation an a local primarily-GA airport. An FAA ops inspector happened to be on the frequency one day and had a sit-down with the offending pilot to discuss just what FCC regulations have to say about the use of a radio frequency:

" 8. The unicom service provides for air-ground communications primarily between general aviation aircraft and airport facilities. Unicom transmissions are limited to the necessities of safe and expeditious operation of aircraft, including runway conditions, types of fuel available, wind conditions, weather information, dispatching, and other necessary safety information. Unicom transmissions may include, on a secondary basis, communications pertaining to the efficient portal-to-portal transit of an aircraft, such as available ground transportation, food, and lodging. Unicoms must provide impartial information concerning available ground services, and must provide service to any aircraft station upon request and without discrimination. For the purpose of determining whether a licensee is a small business as defined by the Small Business Administration (SBA), each licensee would need to be evaluated within its own business area."

Bob
 
Salty said:
Pulling up to runway at an uncontrolled airport a few weeks ago a guy makes a call "7 miles out, on right base for 05". There was another person in the proper pattern on a left base, so we held short and waiting for that guy to land. As he crossed the threshold we see the plane coming in like a bat out of hell on the right base, and then we hear a call, "left base for 05". I asked " do you mean right base?", and got a "No, I'm on left base" back. So I continued to hold short and informed him of the traffic on a right base nearing the turn to final. Crickets from the radio..... He comes blasting in and slams on the brakes and gets off on the first turnoff. There is no other plane in the pattern.

I wanted to ***** him out something fierce, but I only said "this field is left traffic for 05 due to skydiving operations south of the field" and left it at that. The jerk just did it to land in front of me getting out..... But I held my tongue.
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Maybe he's dyslexic...
 
brien23 said:
I have noticed more short tempered pilots calling out pilots for small mistakes. I do not remember this years ago as prevalent as it is today. Worst of all somebody cuts another off and the offended pilot goes into a long rant about it, blocking any other information. Is it just me in my old age or have others noticed the lack of civility on the radio.
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Don't 9iss me off, Brien with an "e"!
 
Chill,flying is supposed to be fun. Air rage seems to be with us,unfortunately. Not going to let it ruin my flying,enjoyment.
 
Don't want no short tempered pilot.
 
Airplane A: "Watsonville traffic, Airplane 1234A taking off 20, standard departure."
Airplane B: "What's a 'standard departure"?
Airplane A: "All departures are to be made with a right or left 45 degree turn. Get a copy of the AIM and read it!"
 
Mistake Not... said:
I had a grouchy unicom guy a few months ago.

Me and a "warbird" (I don't know 'em, but it was a low wing something) were in the pattern. I was on short final, he'd just entered downwind. We're making all the right calls, everyone's happy.

I'm rolling out, just touched down, and I get "Aircraft that just landed, other people need to use that runway, please expidite your turn off."

wtf? Friends with the warbird owner?
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That never happens to me. I just turn the radio off and land.
 
That's why I like flying my Cub the best. It does not have a radio so I don't listen to anyone's crap. They are probably all cussing me on their radio when I don't see anyone and cut them off on final :)
 
I had a student up in a glider a few weeks back. He was north of our uncontrolled airport & got a little too low. He beat feet to the airport but knew he couldn't make the primary runway in use which was 23. A 172 from a nearby flight school was doing touch & go's on runway 23.

My glider student got on CTAF & announced he was low & inbound & would be landing on the grass next to runway 5. The female CFI got on the radio & in a very snotty voice chastised my glider student & told him that the "active runway was 23!". I jumped on my portable & said "he's in a glider & can't make it to runway 23!" She acknowledged & stated that she would extend her downwind on 23 so the glider could land. I'll give her the benefit of doubt that maybe she didn't realize on the initial call that he was in a glider...you know, no engine...& he had the right of way.

When a glider is struggling to make it to the airport the pilot is in an emergency situation & all the rules go out the window.

Her tone was much better when I explained things to her on my portable.
 
pigpenracing said:
That's why I like flying my Cub the best. It does not have a radio so I don't listen to anyone's crap. They are probably all cussing me on their radio when I don't see anyone and cut them off on final :)
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Get a handheld. They're cheap. Seriously, the midair can kill you too.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
What about tall tempered pilots?

There is plenty to blame at both altitudes.
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You mean like when perpetual touch and go dude at Taylor cuts inside of you on final because you went long for other traffic. Or when it is a light wind day and everyone is using 01 and someone calls out landing opposite runway.....
 
paflyer said:
Some people would rather be "right" than dead.
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All my other airplanes have a radio. I fly the Cub safe without a radio. I don't make a big pattern like most planes and I am usually 200 agl coming in so try to be out of the way.
I do not want a radio or headsets in the Cub, it kills the simplicity of the plane. Most people don't understand until they hand prop a Cub, get in, look both ways for traffic and go. It is just a whole different kind of flying. I wouldn't fly the Bonanza without a radio.
 
pigpenracing said:
All my other airplanes have a radio. I fly the Cub safe without a radio. I don't make a big pattern like most planes and I am usually 200 agl coming in so try to be out of the way.
I do not want a radio or headsets in the Cub, it kills the simplicity of the plane. Most people don't understand until they hand prop a Cub, get in, look both ways for traffic and go. It is just a whole different kind of flying. I wouldn't fly the Bonanza without a radio.
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I flew in a little Aeronca that was the same way. Hand propped, and you could turn it by sticking your hands out the windows. That one didn't even sport a handheld, but it also never frequented busy airports, but rather was flown out of a private grass strip. But if you're mixing it up with other airplanes, I'd carry the handheld. I know it isn't as pure, but it does increase your situational awareness, thus your safety.
timwinters said:
Hmmm...I'm flipping thru my AIM and can't find where the guidance was revised from "see and be seen" to "talk and be heard."

;)
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True, but last I checked the AIM was advisory.
 
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