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Blueangel

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Blueangel said:
Hi folks,

I recently moved to San Diego and live in Point Loma/OB area. Now the closest airport for me is Montgomery field KMYF however major construction is taking place until Feb 2016 and no real ILS is available

http://www.plusoneflyers.org/forum/item/609-montgomer-field-airport-bulletin-5-29-15

So the next closest airport is Gillespie field. It is 20 miles from my home versus 6 miles.
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From that notice:

The project will not impact the ILS to Runway 28R.
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Sounds like the ILS will be just fine. Plus, many of the club airplanes have Garmin 430s, so the RNAV approaches will be in use as well.

The biggest impact you are going to see is that it sounds like there will be significant periods of time that MYF will be down to 1 runway which will increase congestion. I suspect that a lot of CFIs will end up taking their students to SEE/RNM/SDM for pattern work.

If the runway work at MYF does create a congestion problem big enough to impact practice instrument approaches, you can always take-off from MYF and then go do your practice approaches at any of the other area airports.

FWIW, I'm glad to hear that they are rehabbing 5/23. It was in pretty rough shape when I was there in the spring.
 
Met one CFII who only trains at KSEE so will talk to few others to see if they can train me at KMYF. What is average rate for CFII here in San Diego? The one I met with charges $65/hr.

Scott
 
Blueangel said:
Met one CFII who only trains at KSEE so will talk to few others to see if they can train me at KMYF. What is average rate for CFII here in San Diego? The one I met with charges $65/hr.



Scott
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I think most are in the $50-65/hr range.
 
Honestly it's not going to make much difference. You'll be learning every approach in the area anyways and all the airports are fairly close. Most of the CFIs have a pattern to take you around the area approaches in a fairly short time no matter where you start. (i.e. from MYF, VOR-A OKB, ILS CRQ, RNAV 9 RNM, LOC or RNAV SEE, VOR-A SDM, ILS or RNAV MYF) The only thing that may make a little difference is that from KSEE you'll have a bit shorter trip to get out to the practice areas when you'll be doing your initial hood work.
 
True and the rental aircraft and CFII prices are less expensive at KMYF than KSEE and closer 5 miles vs 20 miles from Point Loma.
 
When I was there, it seemed like the standard instrument circuit was to launch and go do the VOR-A at OCN, with a turn or two in the hold at Oceanside, then the ILS 24 to CRQ and then back to either the LOC at SEE or ILS 28R at MYF.
 
It can make a difference if the ILS is out, the aircraft is not RNAV equipped, and the marine layer comes in.

However, these days, flying IFR without an approach-rated GPS is problematic, as most of the approaches are RNAV and many airports have nothing else.
 
Fearless Tower said:
When I was there, it seemed like the standard instrument circuit was to launch and go do the VOR-A at OCN, with a turn or two in the hold at Oceanside, then the ILS 24 to CRQ and then back to either the LOC at SEE or ILS 28R at MYF.
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I see you got the shorter abuse session.
 
Like someone said it doesn't really matter much which airport you use, you're goi get all the usual approaches. I'm assuming you're going to join Plus One Flyers. Finding an instructor who is flexible on airport use all the better. You can use MYF one day and SEE the next which helps with airplane availability. If you are the kind of student who doesn't have a problem with using more than one instructor all the better. Don't forget to plug the drive into the equation, traffic in San Diego can get brutal at times
 
Blueangel said:
Met one CFII who only trains at KSEE so will talk to few others to see if they can train me at KMYF. What is average rate for CFII here in San Diego? The one I met with charges $65/hr.

Scott
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$65/hr seems to be the going rate at MYF. Mine and another CFI charges $65/hr, another one I know charges $80/hr
 
Thanks I'll talk with a few more this weekend at the Plus One orientation. Saving $ on gas drive would fund training costs easier. Big difference driving 10 minutes vs 40 minutes.
 
I'm in Plus One and started my IR with an instructor who prefers CRQ but has actually come to RNM in his own plane to meet me there. Rate is $65.00. CRQ has almost guaranteed real IMC mornings and evenings throughout much of the year.

Plus One planes are more abundant at MYF but from a price vs. equipment perspective, rates are about the same at all 4 airports we have planes at. Have a look at 734BT at SEE. It's only $95.00/hr. Very basic instruments though and no GPS.
 
Thanks I'll try to find a CFII who is willing to meet me at MYF for training on a budget. I'm also considering a 182 or Piper Archer for my first plane and training since I have plenty of time in both. How is availability of rental aircraft with Plus One Flyers? I'm looking for early morning week day lessons before I go to work.
 
Blueangel said:
How is availability of rental aircraft with Plus One Flyers? I'm looking for early morning week day lessons before I go to work.
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Early morning weekdays is usually pretty good availability. It's the late afternoons and particularly weekends that it gets tight. But even then, unless you are really picky about the avionics, you can usually find something to fly at least 24 hrs in advance.
 
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Thanks I'll try to find a CFII who is willing to meet me at MYF for training on a budget. I'm also considering a 182 or Piper Archer for my first plane and training since I have plenty of time in both. How is availability of rental aircraft with Plus One Flyers? I'm looking for early morning week day lessons before I go to work.
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I just checked ScheduleMaster and as of 6pm there are seven C172s and three PA28s available at MYF for the rest of the evening.

The only time I've had scheduling issues in the past 3 years has been for 2 different weekend cross-country trips. Weekdays is usually not a problem.
 
That's good to know. I want to rent the cheapest plane with basic IFR. Don't need fancy avionics just decent radios, VOR and ILS for the training. I'd rather save $ at this point.
 
I know saving money is a serious consideration, but I'd suggest renting a plane that at least has a 430 in it. With many smaller airports having only GPS approaches it'll open up a lot of approaches to you that you wont have otherwise. You'll also REALLY wanna learn how to use the GPS.

IMHO, saving a couple bucks here is cheating yourself.

I can also tell you from flying in a few times lately that MYF is a mess right now. With 2 of the 3 runways closed plus a few taxiways the traffic jams are real, and getting in and out can mean sitting for 20min or more at the runup and flying a real long pattern. When you're paying by the Hobbs you may find that driving farther is a lot cheaper. I'll also say that the plus one planes at CRQ are a lot nicer than many of the ones at MYF, especially the Cherokees.
 
True but first 5-10 hours training don't require
approaches and focus on attitude flying
and partial panel and unusual attitudes.
 
Depends on how fast you learn. Only 15 hours is required with an instructor, so if you're spending 5-10 and haven't done any approaches you're way behind. All of my partial panel work was after learning how to do an approach, then it was how to do them with missing instruments. Attitude flying and unusual attitudes was probably 2 hours or less, at least specifically.
 
Found a couple good CFII that I like who teach out at KMYF with a structured syllabus. I'll study to pass the written as well this week.

Scott
 
Going rate here is $65 for CFII pretty expensive but as was said only need 15-20 hours with one.
 
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