60 seconds to react and think
That is an important point. You do not have control of the aircraft . . . don't waste brain cells making a radio call. Instead, focus on the problem, aka aviate first.He announced his intention to land. He took that time away from himself.
Stay aloft. Declare emergency. Troubleshoot. Make a plan. Don't be in a hurry to crash.
Above all, do not panic, and do not give up.
Not heartless at all; you're spot on. This tragedy assessment will stick in my "brain database" of what to do if control failure ever happens to me and seconds count. I tell my daughter my means/methods of doing things the way I do (backing into parking spaces, always locking doors, never reporting a vacation to the USPS, etc.) are due to life lessons learned the hard way or by learning from the unfortunate outcomes of others....
This accident was survivable.
I realize I'm being a heartless *******. But these discussions are not for the pilot, his family, or his friends. They are for the rest of us, to maybe avoid a similar fate.
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I'm bad at plenty of things. That one I'm good at. It never even came close to the top of the list for me when my engine shut off. I was way too busy doing the important stuff.That is an important point. You do not have control of the aircraft . . . don't waste brain cells making a radio call. Instead, focus on the problem, aka aviate first.
'Cept this wasn't an EAB....Makes the A in EAB really stand out.
Factory built?'Cept this wasn't an EAB....
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This particular RV-12 was licensed in category 48B; Experimental Light Sport - Kit Built. It is, of course, similar to EAB in that an amateur is constructing the aircraft. The difference is that the kit itself may be developed to a greater extent than one can get with an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. "May be" is the key phrase; if the Light Sport kit still qualifies as EAB, the builder can license them either way.'Cept this wasn't an EAB....
The NTSB's "Amateur Built" flag is inaccurate. The NTSB investigators tend to use it to indicate Special airworthiness, rather than just Experimental Amateur Built.
How does this compare to the rates of builder and maintenance error in factory-built aircraft?In my studies of EAB accidents, I've found that about 5.6% of them involve mistakes during construction, and 6.1% involve mistakes involving maintenance. It can be a fuzzy line between the two, of course, as something may be classed as a maintenance error but actually be due to a mistake in construction.
Don't have overall figures for production-type aircraft, but I have it for some models. For the 172, it's 0.2% builder error, 2.2% maintenance error.How does this compare to the rates of builder and maintenance error in factory-built aircraft?
Based on recent whistleblower testimony I don't see that as too much of a stretchThere's even a Boeing 737 listed as a "homebuilt" in the NTSB records
Don't be in a hurry to crash.
Don't have overall figures for production-type aircraft, but I have it for some models. For the 172, it's 0.2% builder error, 2.2% maintenance error.
I use the Cessna 172 and Cessna 210 as a "Control Group" to compare accident causes with homebuilts. It gives a mix of simple and complex aircraft, and the number of aircraft is close to that of homebuilts. Here's a comparison using raw numbers rather than percentages.
Exactly. The pilots of the homebuilts in my analysis have about three times the flight experience as the pilots of the Control Group.Incredible data. Most of it is intuitive. The one real outlier is the Pilot Miscontrol. Wonder why that one skews so far in favor of EAB. More experienced pilots on average?
There's reaction time to consider, too. With the airplane on base leg, there's limited time to note and react to a failure like this. Might be that by the time the pilot recognized the problem and formulated potential recoveries, the plane was too far into the event and too low to recover. It's one thing to be typing on the keyboard, it's another thing to watch the ground grow closer in the windshield.My instructor used to make me simulate a control failure. Power, and trim, maybe the rudder still worked sometimes.We would take over control just prior to touchdown. It was tricky, but survivable. This was in training aircraft, inherently stable. Try it sometime next time you are out.
Do a Google search on "wanttaja kitplanes". Most of the articles I've written are online.@wanttaja I'm super interested in your analyses. Where could I learn more?
There's reaction time to consider, too. With the airplane on base leg, there's limited time to note and react to a failure like this. Might be that by the time the pilot recognized the problem and formulated potential recoveries, the plane was too far into the event and too low to recover.
When he asks if you want to go flying with him, is it rude to say “no” ?BTW, it was his fourth aircraft accident.
Yeah, but have you tried it with the loose end of thePretty easy, actually. I’ve tried it. No stretching required, the right stick is within reach.
I flew with Cecil once. When he was coming in on final, we were offset to one side.When he asks if you want to go flying with him, is it rude to say “no” ?
Push tube would not affect control surfaces, only the stick. Threaded rod end would jam the controls.Yeah, but have you tried it with the loose end of the push tube jammed against something causing the roll rate to increase rapidly?
I had the same concern with rebuilding my Decathlon, even with an A&P supervising me.Stuff like this is what always worried me when building my sonex. The assembly process is not mistake proofed and you need to have a bit more knowledge than just what’s in the plans or builders manual at times. It’s not getting the big things wrong like spar pins or tight fit holes that scare me. It’s the little things like putting a bolt on backwards or assembling something on the wrong side of something else where it still works but doesn’t fail until well after flight testing. Many people forget that building an airplane is more than just assembling parts. It’s called experimental aircraft for a reason.
No Doubt. If you were in a turn and it let go, or any other place other than straight level cruise, it may definitely throw you off. I do think it is something that's good to practice before it happens.There's reaction time to consider, too. With the airplane on base leg, there's limited time to note and react to a failure like this. Might be that by the time the pilot recognized the problem and formulated potential recoveries, the plane was too far into the event and too low to recover. It's one thing to be typing on the keyboard, it's another thing to watch the ground grow closer in the windshield.
Curiously, I have two other friends that suffered control failures in a homebuilt (in over 30+ years involvement with homebuilts). One had forgotten to connect one aileron pushrod. When he noted the condition, he came back to the airport. However, on the base-to-final turn, the loose pushrod slipped down and jammed into the lower longerons. Couldn't recover from the turn. He came out of it with a broken collarbone and some cuts and bruises. He had turned final at a fairly low altitude, which probably contributed to his survival. Airplane was totally destroyed, which ALSO probably contributed to his survival. BTW, it was his fourth aircraft accident.
Second case happened in the Fly Baby Flying Club in the '80s. Left rudder cable disconnected at the pedal. The rudder cables run along the lower longerons on either side of the pilot, so he just reached down, grabbed a handful of cable, and tugged on it when he needed left rudder. Heel brakes, so he was able to keep it straight after landing. Steve was a former Ag pilot, probably better at solving issues like this.
Control issues are a factor in about 2.7% of homebuilt accidents, vs. just 0.3% of Cessna 172 accidents and 0.8% in Light Sports.
Ron Wanttaja
Multiple eyes are always a good idea but even then they aren't foolproof. I had multiple other builders check my plane over as I was building and I had two other friends who had also completed building a sonex look things over right before I had the DAR out to do the certification inspection. Even with all those eyes the DAR still found a nut holding the tailwheel on was missing a cotter pin. I was lucky in that my DAR was very thorough in his inspection and didn't treat the certification as just a paperwork exercise like some others do. I can very easily see how the RV builder in the accident put the rod end on backward and it went unnoticed until it failed and became safety critical. Its a scary thought but there are so many things that can kill you when flying. The only thing you can do is try your best to avoid what you can and minimize the risk of what you can't. Building and flying your own airplane will never be a zero risk activity.I had the same concern with rebuilding my Decathlon, even with an A&P supervising me.
Flight controls are critical. I had multiple sets of eyes on my controls before I covered them up. I still inspect them once a month for anything amiss. On my aircraft, all control system fasteners are wired or cottered. Anything not cottered is torque sealed. Torque seal probably would have caught this.
Interesting statistics and something to think about when building but statistics don't mean anything when you yourself are the outlier like the pilot in this accident was. Even something with a 99.9% success rate it still means that one in a thousand will still experience a failure.Had occasion to review some of my statistics on builder error. About 22% of the cases involve the control system, about the same as cases affecting the fuel system. Engine-related cases are the "top scorer", but not by much.
Interesting to compare the lethality of the cases:
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Airframe-related cases are much more likely to result in death, but, fortunately, the percentage of the overall cases is less.
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Even something with a 99.9% success rate it still means that one in a thousand will still experience a failure.
Favorite example came around here a few decades back. Two of our local guys built two Thurston Seafires; think a Lake with a tractor engine.Multiple eyes are always a good idea but even then they aren't foolproof.
Favorite example came around here a few decades back. Two of our local guys built two Thurston Seafires; think a Lake with a tractor engine.
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It was made per plans. The airplane had been designed for yokes, but they wanted sticks. They had contacted the designer, and he had generated an addendum to the plans for the joystick conversion. As it turns out, working the ailerons backward.....
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