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I'm working with a Private Pilot for his Airplane Category who already has his Rotorcraft Category PP license. Having already done all his XC requirements for PP Rotorcraft do you think it's necessary or in the FARs for me to sign off each individual solo XC flight in an airplane as he builds his time in preparation for his check ride?

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Nope. And if you gave him a solo endorsement without an expiration date it never expires. Ever.
 
But a solo endorsement has no effect after his add-on checkride, so..effectively that becomes the expiration date.
 
But a solo endorsement has no effect after his add-on checkride, so..effectively that becomes the expiration date.

Right but he could quit lessons buy an airplane and fly it solo wherever he wants for as long as he wants, wouldn't even need a FR.
 
Right but he could quit lessons buy an airplane and fly it solo wherever he wants for as long as he wants, wouldn't even need a FR.

Well yeah but in context with the op's question re: checkride prep but i get your point...'cept for the last part bout not needing a FR. How so ?
 
Well yeah but in context with the op's question re: checkride prep but i get your point...'cept for the last part bout not needing a FR. How so ?

He would still need a FR for his Helo ticket.

Completing an "add-on" rating, a pilot is not "solo'd" under 61.109, but under 61.31.d2. to act as PIC in an aircraft he is not otherwise rated. And it does specify no passengers and is only valid while recieving training towards the rating. But there is no definition on training and there is no expiration unless the instructor adds that to the logbook entry.
 
He could fly on the solo endorsement without a FR. Seems wrong and rarely happens so it isn't a problem that needs solving.
 
Just picked up my Single Engine land yesterday...22 Years as an Army Aviator and a 10 year break....after solo at less than 10 hours in the Arrow I bought last year I flew close to 100 hrs with most of that solo...something always got in the way of a check ride, weather, annual, maintenance, upgrade the airplane, availability of examiner...seems like I could flown on a solo endorsement forever, as your never considered a student since I have a Commercial Instrument Rating Helicopter and current medical.
 
FR- flight review. Or BFR in old avspeech.
 
Just picked up my Single Engine land yesterday...22 Years as an Army Aviator and a 10 year break....after solo at less than 10 hours in the Arrow I bought last year I flew close to 100 hrs with most of that solo...something always got in the way of a check ride, weather, annual, maintenance, upgrade the airplane, availability of examiner...seems like I could flown on a solo endorsement forever, as your never considered a student since I have a Commercial Instrument Rating Helicopter and current medical.

So does this work with ANY add-on? Like could I be signed off to solo a helicopter (no rotocraft rating) or a lighter than air ship or something like that and not actually need to take the check-ride?
 
So does this work with ANY add-on? Like could I be signed off to solo a helicopter (no rotocraft rating) or a lighter than air ship or something like that and not actually need to take the check-ride?
Yes. If you are a rated pilot and get solo endorsement in another category that does not have a specific expiration written in the solo endorsement. No passenger carrying but the XC and other student limits do not apply. No FR is ever required. Mostly pointless but if you had a single seat helicopter or sailplane you could do it. Most transitions are from airplane to other so other category CFIs are more likely to be aware and not sign you off for infinity. A friend flew sailplanes for many years on a solo endorsement eventually he purchased one and the insurance company required him to get his rating within a year.
 
Just picked up my Single Engine land yesterday...22 Years as an Army Aviator and a 10 year break....after solo at less than 10 hours in the Arrow I bought last year I flew close to 100 hrs with most of that solo...something always got in the way of a check ride, weather, annual, maintenance, upgrade the airplane, availability of examiner...seems like I could flown on a solo endorsement forever, as your never considered a student since I have a Commercial Instrument Rating Helicopter and current medical.

Hopefully the non solo hours were with an instructor.
And yes, you could have flown forever solo, but remember, 61.31 says only valid while "receiving training toward a rating".
 
I'm working with a Private Pilot for his Airplane Category who already has his Rotorcraft Category PP license. Having already done all his XC requirements for PP Rotorcraft do you think it's necessary or in the FARs for me to sign off each individual solo XC flight in an airplane as he builds his time in preparation for his check ride?
No. Once you give him a 61.31(d)(2) solo endorsement, he is free to fly an airplane solo anywhere he wants, any time he wants, within the limits of his Private Pilot privileges unless you put additional limitations in that endorsement.
 
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Right but he could quit lessons buy an airplane and fly it solo wherever he wants for as long as he wants, wouldn't even need a FR.
No. He would still need a current flight review. The exception in 61.56 for Student Pilots in 61.56(g) does not apply to other pilots flying under a 61.31(d)(2) endorsement.
 
Yes. If you are a rated pilot and get solo endorsement in another category that does not have a specific expiration written in the solo endorsement. No passenger carrying but the XC and other student limits do not apply. No FR is ever required.
You keep saying this, but it is not true. There is no exception in 61.56 for non-Student Pilots to act as PIC without a flight review (or equivalent) while flying solo. The exception in 61.56(g) applies only to Student Pilots.
 
You keep saying this, but it is not true. There is no exception in 61.56 for non-Student Pilots to act as PIC without a flight review (or equivalent) while flying solo. The exception in 61.56(g) applies only to Student Pilots.

But if he has a current BFR in the rotocraft, would he need one in the SEL?
 
Let's say we have a rated airplane PP, Mr. X. Mr. X hasn't flown an airplane in 3 years. Mr. X goes to helicopter school, gets a solo endorsement he is now legal to fly a helicopter under that endorsement and he does not have a FR. Nothing changes if the CFI didn't put in an expiration date and Mr. X buys a helicopter and flies it solo for the next thirty years.
 
My non solo time was with a CFI...Being rated for over 30 years, I at least know the rules....
 
When I solo a pilot under 61.31 I put a 90 day expiration in the limitations. If I'm still actively training with them at 90 days and no check ride for some reason it takes just a min to give another endorsement. Not willing to have forever endorsements for PIC privileges on my liability ledger.
 
A real nugget among the loopholes in Part 61 is 61.31(L), which allows the holder of a Private certificate in one category to solo in another category, with no requirement for any training, checkride, or endorsement - IF the aircraft in that other category is an experimental.

It's one of the tough things gyroplane CFIs face. Their students who already hold certificates in airplane have no legal requirement to wait to be signed off before deciding to solo, because all gyros built in the US in the last 30+ years are experimentals.

Impatience has been fatal in some cases.
 
When I solo a pilot under 61.31 I put a 90 day expiration in the limitations. If I'm still actively training with them at 90 days and no check ride for some reason it takes just a min to give another endorsement. Not willing to have forever endorsements for PIC privileges on my liability ledger.

I do the same to my glider add-on students and recommend the other instructors do also.
 
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