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"Two all beef patties, special sauce, .... on a sesame seed bun..."
 
Oh! I thought you were going to mention this incident with Ronald

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ScottM said:
Speaking of that. Did you see or hear that some health care system has said it will no longer hire anyone who smokes? They will do a test for nicotine prior to hiring and if it is positive, no job.
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Good thing we did not do that test for the President.
 
ScottM said:
Speaking of that. Did you see or hear that some health care system has said it will no longer hire anyone who smokes? They will do a test for nicotine prior to hiring and if it is positive, no job.
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There's a few companies doing that. I think it should be blatently illegal as discrimination just as much as not hiring because someone drives a motorcycle or someone is fat.
 
ron22 said:
Good thing we did not do that test for the President.
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LOL

I can't think of a non-smoking president since I have been alive. Was Truman a non-smoker? Everyone past his has been. I know GW Bush tried to pretend to not be a smoker, but I have heard from someone who knows him and worked for him in the White House and he picked it back up again in his 2nd term.
 
ScottM said:
LOL

I can't think of a non-smoking president since I have been alive. Was Truman a non-smoker? Everyone past his has been. I know GW Bush tried to pretend to not be a smoker, but I have heard from someone who knows him and worked for him in the White House and he picked it back up again in his 2nd term.
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The most stressful job in the world. I think it would drive anyone to smoke.
 
ScottM said:
LOL

I can't think of a non-smoking president since I have been alive. Was Truman a non-smoker? Everyone past his has been. I know GW Bush tried to pretend to not be a smoker, but I have heard from someone who knows him and worked for him in the White House and he picked it back up again in his 2nd term.
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The question is not whether they smoked, it's what they smoked (and whether they inhaled)... :D
 
SkyHog said:
There's a few companies doing that. I think it should be blatently illegal as discrimination just as much as not hiring because someone drives a motorcycle or someone is fat.
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Are either of those things illegal?
 
I don't remember Ronald trying to "hook" me on anything... Nor do I recall McDonald's food being any more "unhealthy" than the rancid slop the Public School system dished out every day.

In fact, we used to regularly sneak out at lunch time to try to find any food that smelled like, well, food, as opposed to medical waste. When they opened the McDonald's down the street, it was like a lifesaver.

And the school didn't even have a "clown" to "hook" us on the food. Unless you want to count the dietician who signed off on the menus...

-Rich
 
SkyHog said:
When did tobacco use become illegal?
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I meant, since when is discriminating on the basis of someone's weight or propensity to ride gyroscopic death machines illegal? Unless some state or municipality has banned the practice, an employer is not barred from discriminating on the basis of any of those three things.
 
alaskaflyer said:
I meant, since when is discriminating on the basis of someone's weight or propensity to ride gyroscopic death machines illegal? Unless some state or municipality has banned the practice, an employer is not barred from discriminating on the basis of any of those three things.
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Its actually the pressure from their health care provider, and the high premiums they charge for smokers, spread across the whole company.
 
Tom-D said:
Its actually the pressure from their health care provider, and the high premiums they charge for smokers, spread across the whole company.
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Well they are their own health care provider actually.

I found the details of who this is doing this new thing

AP said:
St. Luke's Hospital and Health Network plans to stop hiring people who are smokers, saying it hopes to improve the health of its 7,000 employees and reduce health costs. Beginning May 1, all prospective employees will be screened for nicotine and will be ineligible for a job if they test positive. Anyone rejected may take the test again in six months. Current employees will not be affected.
Bob Zimmel, senior vice president of human resources, said the policy will be good for business as well as health, since it will reduce health insurance claims. - AP
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It is not like the obese, smokers, etc are in a protected class. If this is good for business and is legal then I suppose it is ok. It is what the free market is all about. To change this one would need to get smokers considered a protected class so that the non-discrimination part of labor laws would apply.
 
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alaskaflyer said:
I meant, since when is discriminating on the basis of someone's weight or propensity to ride gyroscopic death machines illegal? Unless some state or municipality has banned the practice, an employer is not barred from discriminating on the basis of any of those three things.
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It's not discrimination when you choose to hire the people with the habits you want.
 
Our local hospital also checks new hires for nicotine...
- as well as a drug screen, running a LEIN check for outstanding warrants, query the state and IRS for garnishments, etc. and a check for blood pressure... Anything that does not meet the guidelines you are not hired -
Smokers will be hired but the smokers will have a larger co-pay on their health insurance policy... They can sign a pledge of quitting smoking and submit to random nicotine checks in return for a lower co-pay... Seems about the right approach to this, to me...

Being that I have recently sold my business to them I have become an "employee", so for the first time in over 40 years I have had to jump through these hoops, including the pee in a cup routine... The young lady conducting this was lecturing me how the temperature would be checked, etc. to be sure it came out of me... I asked her if she wanted to hold 'it' while I filled the cup... She said that might cause wagging tongues amongst her co workers, and grinned...

The most interesting issue is my SS card... They insist I have to produce my SS card... I have not seen that hummer in nigh onto 50 years - I come from an era when your word was accepted... I showed them my Medicare card, which is an official US government document, that has my SS number clearly printed on it.. I showed them my Airman's Certificate (now obsolete) with my SS number on it... I showed them my CCW permit that has my SS number on it... But they say I need to produce either my Birth Certificate (which does NOT have an SS number) or get a new SS card.. I pointed out to them that to get a new SS card all I have to do is wander down to the local federal office, show them my Medicare card and driver license (picture) and they will print a new SS card for me - that I will then show the hospital... Like all large corporations, logic escapes them... How corporations stay in business escapes me... So, it is off to the Federal Building tomorrow to stand in line for two hours, sigh...

denny-o
 
Dr. O said:
Our local hospital also checks new hires for nicotine...
- as well as a drug screen, running a LEIN check for outstanding warrants, query the state and IRS for garnishments, etc. and a check for blood pressure... Anything that does not meet the guidelines you are not hired -
Smokers will be hired but the smokers will have a larger co-pay on their health insurance policy... They can sign a pledge of quitting smoking and submit to random nicotine checks in return for a lower co-pay... Seems about the right approach to this, to me...

Being that I have recently sold my business to them I have become an "employee", so for the first time in over 40 years I have had to jump through these hoops, including the pee in a cup routine... The young lady conducting this was lecturing me how the temperature would be checked, etc. to be sure it came out of me... I asked her if she wanted to hold 'it' while I filled the cup... She said that might cause wagging tongues amongst her co workers, and grinned...

The most interesting issue is my SS card... They insist I have to produce my SS card... I have not seen that hummer in nigh onto 50 years - I come from an era when your word was accepted... I showed them my Medicare card, which is an official US government document, that has my SS number clearly printed on it.. I showed them my Airman's Certificate (now obsolete) with my SS number on it... I showed them my CCW permit that has my SS number on it... But they say I need to produce either my Birth Certificate (which does NOT have an SS number) or get a new SS card.. I pointed out to them that to get a new SS card all I have to do is wander down to the local federal office, show them my Medicare card and driver license (picture) and they will print a new SS card for me - that I will then show the hospital... Like all large corporations, logic escapes them... How corporations stay in business escapes me... So, it is off to the Federal Building tomorrow to stand in line for two hours, sigh...

denny-o
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Denny;
Expecting logic from a HR department? You realize that they will test you for hallucinogens, right? :)
 
Discriminating against smokers is no more illegal than requiring clean shaven appearance. A number of companies do that.
 
steingar said:
Discriminating against smokers is no more illegal than requiring clean shaven appearance. A number of companies do that.
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At the moment, its no different than discriminating against fattie mc fatass either.

If Fattie McFatAss gets protected status as a result, I'd expect smokers to be right behind, right? I'm pretty sure Fatty costs insurance companies more money per year than Ashtray McStinkbreath.
 
Ahh, and don't forget the other class that is not protected in most states:

Percy McGappedhole

I'm sure that HIV is not cheap to treat either.....so, I assume next will be a test to determine how much man juice has been consumed with a threshold set to detect the gay?

Or is that crossing some line that discriminating against smokers doesn't cross?
 
SkyHog said:
I'm sure that HIV is not cheap to treat either.....so, I assume next will be a test to determine how much man juice has been consumed with a threshold set to detect the gay?

Or is that crossing some line that discriminating against smokers doesn't cross?
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HIV+ is already a protected class under the ADA
http://www.ada.gov/pubs/hivqanda.txt

2. Q: Are people with HIV or AIDS protected by the ADA?

A: Yes. An individual is considered to have a "disability"
if he or she has a physical or mental impairment that
substantially limits one or more major life activities, has a
record of such an impairment, or is regarded as having such an
impairment. Persons with HIV disease, both symptomatic and
asymptomatic, have physical impairments that substantially limit
one or more major life activities and are, therefore, protected
by the law.

Persons who are discriminated against because they are regarded
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A friend of mine who was recently fired for being HIV+ has filled a lawsuit against that company. He also qualified for SS disability and Medicaid.
 
The police department and the fire department here has had a policy that they would only hire non-smokers for close to ten years. The smokers hired before don't have to quit smoking, but they can not smoke on city property, or in city vehicles.
 
ScottM said:
It is in in some spots. The city I work in has made smoking illegal within 15 feet of any public doorway. The state of Illinois, along with a lot of other states has made smoking illegal indoors, etc.
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PR of Washington has done that, too.
 
Most of the Police Departments around here if you are caught smoking on or off duty you can be terminated if you were hired after 1988. I am not surprised this organization is based out of Boston. Our state has some of the most out there moonbats of any state. A few years ago they stopped the Ronald McDonald run. It was a motorcycle charity ride. The moonbats complained that it tied up traffic, never mind the thousands and thousands of dollars that were donated.
 
SkyHog said:
At the moment, its no different than discriminating against fattie mc fatass either.

If Fattie McFatAss gets protected status as a result, I'd expect smokers to be right behind, right? I'm pretty sure Fatty costs insurance companies more money per year than Ashtray McStinkbreath.
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I'm not fat. I'm gravitationally challenged.
 
jesse said:
Are cigarettes illegal?
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No.. but nicotine addicts are not a protected class, and I am under no obligation to hire them, or incur the increased impact on the bottom line as a result of providing healthcare benefits to nicotine addicts.

One hospital system I worked at gave you an extra $25/mo toward medical premiums if you took and passed a blood screening test for nicotine and its metabolites.
 
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