Rich mans game

evapilotaz

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Sometimes I feel like I'm playing in a rich persons play ground. Here I am after parking my rental and along comes two guys getting out of their Columbia 300. Later I see them get into their Mercedes. A little jealous yes but I remind myself I'm greatful to afford this sport and support my family of 5 while my wife is a stay at home mom. I see partnership in near future and later when my rv is paid for sole ownership. Don't take flying for granted. Not everyone can afford this.
 
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Did you ever see that meme where the little African kid is looking up at the American white lady from CARE (or insert relief agency here) and the caption is:

"You mean to tell me that you have so much clean water that you s*** in it?"

Its all relative. You make enough that your wife gets to stay home and you are STILL be able to rent a plane. You're ahead of the curve.
 
My girlfriend and I make enough so that can rent a 3 bedroom apartment with her two kids.

But hey. Such is life in Southern California. I have my PPL and I can afford 3 hours at 150/hr in a 172 every few months. I'll take it.
 
Being part of the working underclass (non-capital owners) means we have either/or choices that limit our discretionary expenditures. Affluent people don't have to limit their discretion. So, if I hadn't gone the route of having a kid and supporting a wife through college I would perhaps have a couple thousand extra dollars a month to be able to bump up my aviation budget. But then I realize that amount still wouldn't get me into single engine turboprop territory, so the point is moot, which makes me feel less bad about my filial responsibilities. :D

Joking aside, I do not regret having the relationships I have with my family, and I would find it self-defeating that in order to enjoy my avocation I would have to default on those relationships. I don't think any pursuit in life is reasonable when it demands that level of exchange. I love flying as much as the next guy, but there's no way I could treasure it more than my human relationships, economically costly as they may be. Furthermore, not being able to share my passion with my loved ones would also be a non-starter.

I do wish there were regulatory and technological relief in place that would allow the community to gain access to affordability and utility to these contraptions. Watching the recent part 23 re-write get bait n switched was admittedly a heavy blow to my enthusiasm and hope for my future participation in this avocation. 2-seater experimentals are not a good fit to my desire to share my avocation with my loved ones. Maybe in old age it will be so, but life's too short to wait until 60 to start doing what made you tick at 30.
 
left side right side of the ledger. Expenses v income. At some point the left side of the ledger can't be slashed anymore without defaulting on non-economic non-starter items. The right hand side can of course in theory be increased. In between lie all of our personal circumstances and choices that make this question a very personal one. To each their own.
 
Being part of the working underclass (non-capital owners) means we have either/or choices that limit our discretionary expenditures. Affluent people don't have to limit their discretion.

This isn't really true. I know a number of "affluent" people who have very significant limitations on what they can and can't do with their money, and even more so, their time. They're so valuable to their own businesses that they often have significant insurance policies they must pay for, in order to maintain business continuity if they're suddenly seriously injured or killed, etc. Their "stuff" requires maintenance and operational costs are high on many of the "good life" things they own. It all looks shiny and happy from the outside but it often isn't for them.

Most have developed a keen sense of whether or not they can "blow" money on something that won't further their business interests, or that will negatively affect the ability of their investments and things they own, to pay for those things, and "toys" are only bought when there would be no possible impact to their overall budget.

And let's not forget the mental toll. I know two multi-millionaires (well one was nearly wiped out recently by a trusted person hell-bent on destroying what he had built from the inside) who have disastrous relationships with family including spouses and ex-spouses that make their lives very difficult. Like some have pointed out, their relationships with their kids are tough at best, non-existent at worst because of the hours they keep.

One struggles with being bipolar, mostly as a result of both being extremely poor as a child and also from physical and mental abuse. His "payback" is that he played to his strengths and when he's in "manic" mode, there's no better person at making money at his business (construction of high end homes and remodeling in SoCal), but when he's in "depressive" mode he's a holy terror to himself, his family, and all of his staff. The staff stay because of the good times. He knows he's insufferable at times and makes good on it by paying better than average and showering his staff with "stuff" they want when he's in the good half of his brain. His family mostly doesn't talk to him anymore, because of the unpredictable nature of his behavior. The money he makes is his way of flipping off his childhood but he's permanently messed up from it. By all outward appearances he's hugely "successful", but it's never quite that simple in real life.

Another is very well adjusted but has a funny quirk. He's a vegetarian. One time we asked him what made him decide to be a vegetarian and the answer was shocking to his friends present. He said back when his second kid was born and he was struggling to get his business started, he and his wife wanted to eat healthy but couldn't afford meat. He got used to it over the next few years and never felt a need to go back to eating even cheap hamburger later on. His business before he semi-retired is worth something like $50M I think. Could be way higher, but not much lower. It's not publicly traded so I've had to take a guess over the years. Just their inventory would probably be up around $20M. It operates in multiple states and is smaller than it once was, but more focused on a very high end clientele now.

He spends most of his time in "retirement" teaching fiscal stuff to high schoolers through business clubs and teaching people what he knows about electronics. He drives a tasteful but not flashy "luxury car" that's a few years old, and is one of the nicest people you'd care to meet. If his "thing" was airplanes he would probably buy a really nice one and that'd be his one big splurge.

That how he is with his hobby, he has really nice gear for it and that's it. His house is a little bigger than some, in a nice area, and he could afford a lot more. When you see him at local events for that hobby, you'd never know he was worth millions if you didn't know the business he founded. It was a household name in retail around here when I was a kid. You'd hear radio ads for it and all that. Nowadays it's still around but has a lower profile. Kinda like him. He could have squeezed the lemon harder, but instead he pays well, offers full bennies in a business that rarely does that, including 401K, and medical, and it attracts some top notch folk to his company. Smart guy. Hard to believe he once couldn't afford hamburgers for dinner, but he couldn't.
 
Personality/psychological issues aside, I think the "affluence" being referenced was those who have more discretionary spending ability than the rest of us.
 
It's all about priorities,the outward appearance may be one of affluence. You have to know the whole story,on people before you form an opinion. The 300 may be a club airplane,and the car may be a c class.
 
It's all perspective. I rent house, drive a 21 year old car so I can afford a turboprop. And to be honest, I can barely afford that even. I spend about 50-60% of my income on my plane. But to me having an aircraft is important, and I forsake stuff to be able to afford it. Social pressure is always on - my rich friends are always giving me a hard time about my old car etc. "You need a new cool car, Adam", as they rock up in Supercharged Range Rovers and Cayenne Turbos endlessly. My poor friends are always giving me a hard time about the plane. I'm sure they think I'm rich in my ratty-a** old turboprop. The truth is somewhere in between whatever you point of view is, I suppose.
 
I spend about 50-60% of my income on my plane.

It's great to see someone with their priorities in order :) I keep telling my pilot friends who want to buy airplanes that all the "math" they are doing is just a way to talk themselves out of ownership...
 
I had myself setup pretty comfortably and thought heck, I'll buy a plane for my rating instead of renting. Sunk a TON of money into it to get it WELL equipped for my instrument rating (which I got) and recently sold it (for a small loss). Got myself into a lot of debt and I'm slowly working myself back out of it.

Had lunch with a friend of the family who commented that "Only rich people have planes". Pfft...no..not quite.

Now that I've owned and probably WILL own again someday I know first-hand what costs are involved. Before I get myself into that position again, I think I need to start taking cues from @stratobee. I've got a nice car, but first chance I get I'm downgrading..like..a LOT. I don't need all the bells and whistles. I do own my house, but I've been thinking of refinancing as interest rates have come down and, well, every bit helps.

Small steps, but hopefully in a few years I can get back to some serious flying in a plane similarly equipped to the one I just sold.
 
Looking to buy house now, and all of a sudden I'm realizing that although the actual mortgage might not be much more than rent, all the stuff I want to do to house will be a serious cost. That's going to take away from my flying money. So it might be the case I'll fly less over the next few years depending on how involved rebuild gets.
 
It's all perspective. I rent house, drive a 21 year old car so I can afford a turboprop. And to be honest, I can barely afford that even. I spend about 50-60% of my income on my plane. But to me having an aircraft is important, and I forsake stuff to be able to afford it. Social pressure is always on - my rich friends are always giving me a hard time about my old car etc. "You need a new cool car, Adam", as they rock up in Supercharged Range Rovers and Cayenne Turbos endlessly. My poor friends are always giving me a hard time about the plane. I'm sure they think I'm rich in my ratty-a** old turboprop. The truth is somewhere in between whatever you point of view is, I suppose.

No offense intended, but that seems like a terrifying financial situation to be in.
 
Don't worry, if you're posting in this thread to begin with, you're already among the top 1% of the world's richest people. I'd further venture a guess that the vast majority of us are in the top half of our own country's richest folks.

Life still comes with choices, and unfortunately it's a give and take for most of us when it comes to our hobbies. Certain activities (like flying) do attract some incredibly wealthy folks, and allow them to spend unreal amounts of money on the activity. But, that doesn't mean that the rest of us can't enjoy burning holes in the sky in less flashy aircraft.

I see the same issue in equestrian sports, which is where my wife likes to devote her time, money, and energy... There's always someone with more (ex: better horse, better facility, etc), but that doesn't mean the activity is beyond reach for most of us.

Just keep in mind that on a global scale you're all already rich!
 
I don't know of any clubs in the area that has a Colombia 300 in their inventory. I'm not really impressed with Mercedes even if its a lower end model.
I'm not going to pay that kind of money for a Car even if I could pay cash.

So Anyway. People think I'm rolling in Money when I say I fly. I never tell them the hourly rate unless they asked. Most Don't ask anyway.
Supporting the family comes first. Flying comes last.

So to the comment to the poster about spending 50% of his income on a airplane. Well maybe we don't entirely know his situation.
If I was single and had no obligations I might own a airplane and live in the Hanger and drive a ratty but at least set some money aside In 401K, IRA, savings ect ect.
 
It's all about priorities,the outward appearance may be one of affluence. You have to know the whole story,on people before you form an opinion. The 300 may be a club airplane,and the car may be a c class.

Hahaha love how you put that. "Oh, it's only a C class..."
 
There are no pockets in a your last frock, as they say.

No offense intended, but that seems like a terrifying financial situation to be in.

Not really. No debt. If I stop flying, cost goes away.
 
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if I had to do it all over again, I most likely wouldn't tell anyone at work that I fly. bunch of whiny-ass b!tches that don't need much to start yapping their face holes.
 
if I had to do it all over again, I most likely wouldn't tell anyone at work that I fly. bunch of whiny-ass b!tches that don't need much to start yapping their face holes.

Never tell. No upside. They have their mind made up that flying is the most expensive, dangerous, irresponsible, polluting thing in the world. You can't win. Just pat them on the back and say "way to go" when they buy another ATV, boat, gator, golf trip, SUV, Harley or quail hunting trip.
 
Lucky for me my ultimate "if I had a billion dollars" plane is still just a Cessna 180/185 (maybe a beaver). Being low maintenance makes not being rich still pretty nice :)
 
People chuckle at my cheap phone until I mention how the monthly savings pays my airplane club dues.
 
Never tell. No upside. They have their mind made up that flying is the most expensive, dangerous, irresponsible, polluting thing in the world. You can't win. Just pat them on the back and say "way to go" when they buy another ATV, boat, gator, golf trip, SUV, Harley or quail hunting trip.

Lol it is so funny how people always assume that you are some sort of a dare devil to be flying planes...I always get the "Oh, I have kids there is no way I would take that kind of risk"...:rolleyes:

I have a few coworkers who are really excited for me to get my PPL, which is nice. A lot of my friends are incredibly arrogant about it though - I think they are just jealous and use the "its so risky" crap to try and **** you off.
 
I have a slight problem. People know I fly and have an obsession.

It gets worse, eventually you'll realize that's a desk with photos of flying, and not a cockpit. Then you start formulating escape strategies. :)

Nice desk, though. Heh... :)
 
It does amaze me how many people have significant funds. Living in Dallas you can drive past neighborhood after neighborhood after neighborhood full of million dollar homes. I drive by wondering how many CEOs that really are that there this many houses available at this price. Same thing at the airport.

I am just amazed at how many people there are that are in that tax bracket. I am looking for the secret door to it.
 
It's all perspective. I rent house, drive a 21 year old car so I can afford a turboprop. And to be honest, I can barely afford that even. I spend about 50-60% of my income on my plane. But to me having an aircraft is important, and I forsake stuff to be able to afford it. Social pressure is always on - my rich friends are always giving me a hard time about my old car etc. "You need a new cool car, Adam", as they rock up in Supercharged Range Rovers and Cayenne Turbos endlessly. My poor friends are always giving me a hard time about the plane. I'm sure they think I'm rich in my ratty-a** old turboprop. The truth is somewhere in between whatever you point of view is, I suppose.

People chuckle at my cheap phone until I mention how the monthly savings pays my airplane club dues.

Agreed on both. I'm looking at a couple grand a month on lessons the next few months (including instruction and rentals). I make strong income, but also keep most of it for pursuits like this. I drive a paid-off Ford Ranger approaching 230K miles, and I stick with my "old" and reliable phone, while other colleagues lease BMWs and upgrade iPads and iPhones any chance they get. ...not to mention $5,000 bikes here in Boulder that have to be upgraded each season o_O
 
I often wonder why how many people have so much money they do not have person airplanes for travel and fun. What is wrong those people?

Its because they have boats that suck up all of the time and money they could spend on an airplane
 
Being part of the working underclass (non-capital owners) means we have either/or choices that limit our discretionary expenditures. Affluent people don't have to limit their discretion.

Not true. Without any discretion, they won't stay affluent for long.
 
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