Retire to Airport Community?

[wayne]

If Arkansas works look at Holley Mountain, 2A2. It has a 4,795’ paved runway with GPS approaches at each end.

 

[Ted]

We live in Nebraska, which is one of the worst states for retirement, at least tax-wise. We've talked about moving when I retire, but we've spent a ton of money getting this house exactly the way we want it. She swears otherwise, but I an as certain as I can be that anywhere we move would just kick off a new round of remodel work. I'd love nothing more than to have a house, a hangar, and direct access to a runway... but I've about decided that 10 minutes from the airport is good enough.

I think you're right on with the new round of remodel work if you move. Every time we say "Oh, we're going to buy [thing] and just leave it" we not only make changes, but we usually figure out what we want to replace it with. Even though we will be keeping this RV for at least a couple of years after all of this work, we're also already realizing that we'll want another one, and our next one will probably be a 45'er. Then we'll restart the project.

 

[Everskyward]

I'm watching how your retirement works for you, Mari, since my situation won't be dissimilar - one day I'll inherit mom's apartment and have to decide what to do with it. One thing nice with my mom's apartment is that there are a number of other apartments (I think it's got around 80 units) so nobody has to worry about getting roped into anything like you did. The idea of subletting it to keep the option open exists, assuming the co-op would allow that.

If I retire when I'm hoping to (20 years or so), that's a long ways off but not that far off...

What would you do with all your toys?
I can see that being one big drawback for you. Not sure what the situation is with your mom's apartment, but each unit in our building comes with only one garage space. Even that is generous for around here. Since this condo was built, they have zoning that requires the ground floor to be commercial, so many places don't come with garages spaces. That would have been a no-go for me. I would have sold the unit and done something else. No way was I going to routinely park on the street. It has always been somewhat of a challenge to find a space around here.

 

[jsstevens]

This is one of the major problems as you get older. You think "I'll just retire to a little 3/2 in a nice neighborhood, minimize my maintenance, etc."

What you find is there are no "Little 3/2's in nice neighborhoods". The nice neighborhoods are all McMansions, because the builders can make a lot more money selling a McMansion on a 1/4 acre lot than selling a 2,000 SF 3/2 on the same lot.

Unless you just build your own: https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/com...-karens-excellent-pole-barn-adventure.107235/

 

[Ted]

What would you do with all your toys?
I can see that being one big drawback for you. Not sure what the situation is with your mom's apartment, but each unit in our building comes with only one garage space. Even that is generous for around here. Since this condo was built, they have zoning that requires the ground floor to be commercial, so many places don't come with garages spaces. That would have been a no-go for me. I would have sold the unit and done something else. No way was I going to routinely park on the street. It has always been somewhat of a challenge to find a space around here.

Growing up I hated that aspect of living in Manhattan, and of course as a car person that was a problem. Given the toys I have now, a bigger problem.

The way I view it is that if mom lived in Kansas, she'd need to be in an assisted living facility (or living with us) as she can't drive and her ability to do much for herself is fairly limited. Best case scenario would be some kind of apartment (I don't think "luxury apartments" are really a think around here), but no doorman or building staff. Where she lives now even though the staff aren't servants, she does have them for regular support as needed and they are very helpful.

My wording was pretty unclear. In 20 years I expect to still be capable enough to continue owning the property, go off on motorcycle trips and do racing, things like that. Maybe the kids will stay close enough that they're able to keep up with the property, or something similar. Somewhere between that point in life and death (assuming I don't die in a motorcycle crash or on a race track... or do both at the same time) I'll probably start to hit that period where I can't really use the toys anymore anyway, and may be able to avoid assisted living as mom has thus far. That's been the real benefit of mom's apartment for her today. Even her apartment in France I think she'd have a hard time living in.

 

[Everskyward]

Growing up I hated that aspect of living in Manhattan, and of course as a car person that was a problem. Given the toys I have now, a bigger problem.

The way I view it is that if mom lived in Kansas, she'd need to be in an assisted living facility (or living with us) as she can't drive and her ability to do much for herself is fairly limited. Best case scenario would be some kind of apartment (I don't think "luxury apartments" are really a think around here), but no doorman or building staff. Where she lives now even though the staff aren't servants, she does have them for regular support as needed and they are very helpful.

My wording was pretty unclear. In 20 years I expect to still be capable enough to continue owning the property, go off on motorcycle trips and do racing, things like that. Maybe the kids will stay close enough that they're able to keep up with the property, or something similar. Somewhere between that point in life and death (assuming I don't die in a motorcycle crash or on a race track... or do both at the same time) I'll probably start to hit that period where I can't really use the toys anymore anyway, and may be able to avoid assisted living as mom has thus far. That's been the real benefit of mom's apartment for her today. Even her apartment in France I think she'd have a hard time living in.

Yes, both my mom and my aunt, who bought this place as older people (late 60s/early 70s) were able to live independently much longer than if they had had a house in suburbia or the country. My aunt was still living here until she passed in her mid-late 80s. She was on vacation in the Netherlands. My mom was able to live here alone until her early 90s, when she moved to assisted living. One big advantage for people who don't drive, is the bus system. When I moved here I was surprised at how many younger people didn't own cars.

 

[Ted]

Yes, both my mom and my aunt, who bought this place as older people (late 60s/early 70s) were able to live independently much longer than if they had had a house in suburbia or the country. My aunt was still living here until she passed in her mid-late 80s. She was on vacation in the Netherlands. My mom was able to live here alone until her early 90s, when she moved to assisted living. One big advantage for people who don't drive, is the bus system. When I moved here I was surprised at how many younger people didn't own cars.

Going back to mom's apartment and spending a week without leaving the walkable vicinity (something I haven't done in probably 15-20 years) I was reminded of just how much is available there and within walking distance. Then, as you mentioned, the bus and subway system. There are benefits that can apply for certain phases of life.

 

[hindsight2020]

My parents back home just had their second home broken into for the second time (locals know it's unoccupied, though kept up and checked on by the hired help), so it's become quite clear my dream of snowbirding back home is not going to involve a stand alone home. And that's a mere 1.5 hr drive for them. Too much hassle to deal remotely for me from a mainland S-SE state (which is probably where we'll end up post .mil for said travel convenience).

Condos are cheap as all get out back there for native types like myself, especially since Spanish is the dominant language currency outside the overpriced walled gardens and tourist traps. So I think that's the direction we'll end up taking, depending on how long my parents live out to.

 

[Zeldman]

What you find is there are no "Little 3/2's in nice neighborhoods". The nice neighborhoods are all McMansions, because the builders can make a lot more money selling a McMansion on a 1/4 acre lot than selling a 2,000 SF 3/2 on the same lot.

Lot of truth here. I live in a 1500 SF 3/2 on 1.76 acres, with a 30X28 detached garage. The local realtor is emailing me all the time saying he has buyers. I am hoping to move out of state by this summer and looking at prices of where I want to go I am finding 3500+ SF houses for 450K and up. On a whopping estate of .8 acres.... or smaller.

One point I will not back down on is anything I buy has to be out of the city limits and have 5 acres. I would like the nearest neighbor to be at least a mile away but I can fudge on that depending on the area.

My dream location is 4 sections of land, all squared up and my house right in the center where the 4 sections come together. 1 section for my private airport, 1 section for my race track and the other 2 sections for my private game preserve. (this will happen when I win the mega power ball)

 

[Doc Holliday]

Lot of truth here. I live in a 1500 SF 3/2 on 1.76 acres, with a 30X28 detached garage. The local realtor is emailing me all the time saying he has buyers. I am hoping to move out of state by this summer and looking at prices of where I want to go I am finding 3500+ SF houses for 450K and up. On a whopping estate of .8 acres.... or smaller.

One point I will not back down on is anything I buy has to be out of the city limits and have 5 acres. I would like the nearest neighbor to be at least a mile away but I can fudge on that depending on the area.

My dream location is 4 sections of land, all squared up and my house right in the center where the 4 sections come together. 1 section for my private airport, 1 section for my race track and the other 2 sections for my private game preserve. (this will happen when I win the mega power ball)

Or maybe you could sell your air ambulance operation?

 

[FastEddieB]

Unless you just build your own: https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/com...-karens-excellent-pole-barn-adventure.107235/

Thanks for the mention.

We were the first to build on just over 3 acres alongside a 1,700' grass runway in Lenoir City, TN. A 3 bedroom* with an "attached garage". 1,350 sq ft of living space, which is fine for us. It was expensive to build, but long term we think property values just west of Knoxville are likely to keep increasing, so there's that.

We are only notw starting to grow into an airport "community". A friend of mine from the Cirrus community bought the 5 acres next to us and hopes to break ground this spring. Currently has a large travel trailer on site for when he visits. Another pilot friend with a REMOS has just starting clearing on the opposite side of the runway to build a home there. Two other homes are getting ready to go up on Aviation Way on the side opposite from the runway in 5 acre plots - one by a pilot, the other not.

So not quite your typical "Fly-In Community". No HOA dues, but we did agree to help with runway mowing - which is a actually kind of relaxing and not needed over the winter.

Anyway, it's been working out great for us.


*Nominally a 2-bedroom. Out downstairs "Bat Cave" is built into the hillside and apparently cannot legally be designated a bedroom, since there's no alternate egress. But it is a de facto bedroom.

 

[murphey]

I was looking at a small flyin community (West cliffe/siverwest) SE of Alamosa with 6000ft runway and space for hangars. No mountains to fly over in the winter and if weather's bad, 2.5 hrs drive back to Denver on fairly good roads (mostly interstate). But the smallest plot is 5+ acres, which I don't need or want. Another $75K -85K for the house, and I'm no longer interested, even tho I can get $350K for the house. I don't want to live full-time out in the boonies. I like my urban resources. But I definitely want to downsize. I don't need 2600 sq ft.

 

[SoCal RV Flyer]

One point I will not back down on is anything I buy has to be out of the city limits and have 5 acres. I would like the nearest neighbor to be at least a mile away but I can fudge on that depending on the area.

My dream location is 4 sections of land, all squared up and my house right in the center where the 4 sections come together. 1 section for my private airport, 1 section for my race track and the other 2 sections for my private game preserve. (this will happen when I win the mega power ball)

Good plan! I think I'd want a 20 acre lot for a proper rally course, and then build a good Lancia Stratos replica to live out my Sandro Munari dreams. (LB Specialists in the UK makes a great kit that uses an Alfa V-6). And the dirt airstrip, of course!!

 

[MtPJimB]

I don’t believe I’d be interested in a flying community. You will need to deal with an association, have rather expensive fees to maintain the airport grounds, and the long term value of the home is iffy with the current age demographic of pilot population.

To each his own. I personally LOVE living on our small grass-strip neighborhood. Airstrip HOA dues are $300/yr - covers mowing and maintenance of the strip. 15 lots, but only 5 developed. Love going out my back door and hopping in the plane for a quick spin around the patch. Can't wait for retirement in about 3-4 years so work won't eat up much of my flying time.

 

[Everskyward]

Going back to mom's apartment and spending a week without leaving the walkable vicinity (something I haven't done in probably 15-20 years) I was reminded of just how much is available there and within walking distance. Then, as you mentioned, the bus and subway system. There are benefits that can apply for certain phases of life.

Definitely a phase of life thing. When my mom and my aunt bought the condo, I was in my late 20s. No way did it make sense to me. For that money I would have bought a house and property in the Colorado foothills. Of course it made perfect sense for them. They were both city people. I'm not, but I adapt better than some to different situations, and try to see the good side of places where I live. There are plusses and minuses to every place. That said, not sure I will stay here forever.

 

[cowtowner]

I currently hangar at Hicks in a rental hangar. We looked there for a Hangar home, but $750,000 doesn't buy what it used to. Pecan Plantation is a great place, but yeah, too big of places. Plus, my wife needs to be close to an airport (an hour or so) and coming in from PP, it's almost 2 hours to DFW.

We will probably buy a track home near our daughter, and then was looking for a place to either winter or summer. I have family in northern Illinois, and summers there isn't bad. But like California, they'd figure out a way to send me a big tax bill.

We looked at a few places in the Ft. Worth area. We went through a few houses in Pecan Plantation and two other places whose names escape me. In each case they were magnificent houses and palatial hangars. Problem is, if we were to move, there's two of us. We had five kids, but they're grown and long gone. I think the smallest place we found for sale was a little hovel at Pecan that only had a paltry few thousand square feet (not including the detached garage, the casita, the hangar, etc.) My wife didn't like it because there was no pool. All of the ones we looked at were a little over the budget we had in mind, especially once you added in the HOA and mandatory country club fees, but most would have really needed a small staff just to keep up the house and grounds. Just a little overkill for our needs, I think.

We live in Nebraska, which is one of the worst states for retirement, at least tax-wise. We've talked about moving when I retire, but we've spent a ton of money getting this house exactly the way we want it. She swears otherwise, but I an as certain as I can be that anywhere we move would just kick off a new round of remodel work. I'd love nothing more than to have a house, a hangar, and direct access to a runway... but I've about decided that 10 minutes from the airport is good enough.

 

[Ted]

Definitely a phase of life thing. When my mom and my aunt bought the condo, I was in my late 20s. No way did it make sense to me. For that money I would have bought a house and property in the Colorado foothills. Of course it made perfect sense for them. They were both city people. I'm not, but I adapt better than some to different situations, and try to see the good side of places where I live. There are plusses and minuses to every place. That said, not sure I will stay here forever.

Come to Kansas! We have tractors.

 

[luvflyin]

I do not like the desert. If I went west, San Diego would be my pick. But if I spent more than 30 days there, I’m gonna give up a substantial part of my income to taxes.

Florida doesn’t have those concerns

Where did you come up with 30 days? I've been snow birdin for years and done a lot of it in California, mostly San Diego. More than 6 months is what you have to watch out for. Unless there's something new I haven't heard about?

 

[colojo]

At the age of 55, the wife and I are contemplating our next move.
We live in an oversized house on the lake in Fort Worth and are looking at selling it this spring and are now tasked with “where to next”

We are thinking maybe we just buy a small house here in DFW to be near the grandkid, but then also buy a hangar home in Florida or Colorado. Summers are unbearable here as I get older, and she hates the cold.

Any suggestions?

In Colorado, you might consider Erie (KEIK) or Meadow Lake (KFLY). Erie is a northwest suburb of Denver, while Meadow Lake lies between Denver and Colorado Springs. Both are very nice strips.

 

[TCABM]

In Colorado, you might consider Erie (KEIK) or Meadow Lake (KFLY). Erie is a northwest suburb of Denver, while Meadow Lake lies between Denver and Colorado Springs. Both are very nice strips.

I like KFLY, but I also lived around the corer from it. Housing is near top of the bubble and there’s a state income tax to deal with that TX doesn’t have.

When we left in 2016, we did the math between CO taxes and TX property tax and TX one out given our income for like valued property.

But to be close to KFLY, it’s pretty much all single family unless something has changed.

 

[kyleb]

My dream location is 4 sections of land, all squared up and my house right in the center where the 4 sections come together. 1 section for my private airport, 1 section for my race track and the other 2 sections for my private game preserve. (this will happen when I win the mega power ball)

I think you are on the right path, but have to offset the house towards one side of the land so your intersecting "Corner to corner" runways can take full advantage of the property. Think Union Jack for your runways. ;-)

 

[Southpaw]

I pay someone to mow my yard. No way I want to mow an airfield. I have 23 acres we are building a new warehouse for our company. I told my business partner that he better plan to mow it because I’m not ever going to do it.

Always folks looking for grass to cut for hay.

 

[cowtowner]

There are a bunch of bills they are trying to pass that would set residence taxation at 30 days.

They are also looking at a wealth tax on people that have lived there in the past with a ten year look back.

Where did you come up with 30 days? I've been snow birdin for years and done a lot of it in California, mostly San Diego. More than 6 months is what you have to watch out for. Unless there's something new I haven't heard about?

 

[kyleb]

Always folks looking for grass to cut for hay.

How tall does grass have to be for it to be "hay", and isn't that a lot taller than practical for an airfield?

 

[luvflyin]

There are a bunch of bills they are trying to pass that would set residence taxation at 30 days.

They are also looking at a wealth tax on people that have lived there in the past with a ten year look back.

Do you have any of those Bill #’s? Only thing I can find that mentions 30 days is Transit Occupancy Tax. That wouldn’t apply if you are the owner

 

[flyingron]

When we were deciding how much of our lot to clear, my wife said she wanted a lawn. I told her we had 3000 feet of lawn out there.

Anyhow, we have a pool of six or seven people who take turns mowing. We have a big zero turn with a gang mower attachment. It takes about two hours to do the whole thing I think.

 

[YKA]

This is one of the major problems as you get older. You think "I'll just retire to a little 3/2 in a nice neighborhood, minimize my maintenance, etc."

What you find is there are no "Little 3/2's in nice neighborhoods". The nice neighborhoods are all McMansions, because the builders can make a lot more money selling a McMansion on a 1/4 acre lot than selling a 2,000 SF 3/2 on the same lot.

My preference is buying a lot, being my own GC, and hiring trades people to build exactly what I want. Already have the blue prints for my retirement home, and the land.

Lot of truth here. I live in a 1500 SF 3/2 on 1.76 acres, with a 30X28 detached garage. The local realtor is emailing me all the time saying he has buyers. I am hoping to move out of state by this summer and looking at prices of where I want to go I am finding 3500+ SF houses for 450K and up. On a whopping estate of .8 acres.... or smaller.

One point I will not back down on is anything I buy has to be out of the city limits and have 5 acres. I would like the nearest neighbor to be at least a mile away but I can fudge on that depending on the area.

My dream location is 4 sections of land, all squared up and my house right in the center where the 4 sections come together. 1 section for my private airport, 1 section for my race track and the other 2 sections for my private game preserve. (this will happen when I win the mega power ball)

I bought 160 acres to live on. 80 acres for me to really use, and the other 80 will stay in hay, which gives it farm status. I don't have to do any work at all, the people who do it own all the equipment, do all of the work, even sell the hay. They will mow my airstrip for me once a month since it takes them barely any time at all with that giant mower. I am going to put concrete down on the end i will touch down on and take off from 99% of the time because I have studied the winds there for 10 years and know how it comes down the valley almost always. Putting just enough down that when I do my run ups, and go full power it won't be sucking up dirt into the prop and engine. Once a plane is moving at some speed, they don't suck up nearly as much. Doing just 25' wide by 500' long in concrete. The dirt here is pretty firm, so the other 3000' should be fine as dirt. And 3500' means that if its a bit slippery in winter, it is still plenty long. Anything not irrigated here barely grows anyway, because its an extremely dry region.

 

[iflyforfun]

14A? I flew out of there for a few years back in early 2000s ... loved that airpark. I'd never considered an airpark until flying out of Lake Norman and it's never left my thoughts since.

I have retired to an airport community. The association dues are currently $500. My house looks over a 3000' grass runway on one side and this time of year with the leaves off the trees I have a view of Lake Norman. The only real onerous part about the HOA is that my wife got her arm twisted to be president and I'm the treasurer. The airport telephone line rings through to my phone either so I get calls from prospective buyers and real estate agents and lawyers handling closings and occassionally a call from the FAA or HSA (failure to close flight plans and the like).

 

[flyingron]

No, we're at Long Island Airpark (NC26) 4 miles due west (and about 6 miles due south of SVH). The picture in my avatar is the house. THe grass in the lower left is the runway about midfield. The road at the top left is a taxiway (to my hangar and everyone who doesn't have runway frontage on that side of the field).

Now if you want HOA drama, 14A is the place. They've had battling lawsuits going on for a few years now. Oddly enough, our attorney lives over there and has tried to get the HOA to cool it with the unwinnable suits to no avail.

 

[Rogue_Ryder]

...also buy a hangar home in Florida or Colorado. Summers are unbearable here as I get older, and she hates the cold.

Any suggestions?

Colorado is full , haha not really but have you looked at Real Estate prices here? And the airparks are going to be on the plains (pretty hot in the Summer) not in the Mountains where it's cool. Erie Airpark's current cheapest lot is $800K! Compare that with existing homes at airparks in other places; CO becomes far less appealing; check out some of the properties on https://www.barnstormers.com/category-16174-Airport-Property.html not long ago I saw a multi building private home with strip in Southern New Mexico in the $300s!

I wouldn't count out Florida. There's a large number of airparks there and there's so many calm wind VFR flying days there (it's where I earned my ticket and logged most of my hours). I spent 6 years down there and the only places I ever felt were unbearable heat wise were the inland areas and South Florida in late July thru early Sept. If you're along the coast it's pretty tolerable even in the peak summer and the night and evenings are always nice with the sea breeze. Spruce Creek Fly-In is pretty nice; and for about the same money as a LOT at Erie Airpark you could have something really nice there e.g. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1779-Earhart-Ct-Pt-Orange-FL-32128/48064423_zpid/ (not that THIS behemoth is what you're in the market for, but close to a dollar for dollar comparison of an empty lot vs nice home). And the fly in does have Condos (not sure how the aircraft parking works). There's plenty of others to choose from too obviously, but the location of Spruce Creek is tough to beat (hard to get bored with being close to beaches, Orlando, Daytona, etc.).

One of the nicest things about FL is the enormous aviation community that exists there and the large number of airports to support it. And if you want to leave for a change of scenery you can get on a commercial flight easily and cheaply.

 

[hindsight2020]

And the fly in does have Condos (not sure how the aircraft parking works).

according to the site, two complimentary open pads at the edge of taxiway Echo, for the entire set of condos. IOW, no perma-storage. Kinda defeats the purpose imo.

 

[Southpaw]

How tall does grass have to be for it to be "hay", and isn't that a lot taller than practical for an airfield?

Grass for hay is usually headed out and best cut at the 10 percent bloom stage.
Was thinking of the non runway area .

 

[jbarrass]

according to the site, two complimentary open pads at the edge of taxiway Echo, for the entire set of condos. IOW, no perma-storage. Kinda defeats the purpose imo.

I owned a condo on taxiway delta for six years. All the condos on taxiway Delta and Echo have their own parking. About half with hangars and half with covered tie-downs. The 2 pads you're referring to are guest parking for the Eagles Landing condos.

Spruce Creek is close enough to the coast that it doesn't get blistering hot. I always considered it more reasonable than a Virginia Summer.

They also have a POA (for the airport and common areas AND and HOA for the condos). Not bad as HOAs go, but yeah, they can be annoying at times.

There is also a golf course on the property if that is a thing.

I loved it, I'll probably go back there to retire.

 

[weilke]

There is a condo development on 'Eagle Crest Dr' at Spruce that looks interesting. They are between Twy Delta and Echo. The houses are smaller 3BR with a breezeway separating them from the hangar. No land to speak of (and to take care of). They seem to go for low 5s when they come on the market, $560 in condo fees per month, 10k in taxes. If you stay 181 days, you are a FL resident for taxes.

 

[murphey]

Colorado is full , haha not really but have you looked at Real Estate prices here? And the airparks are going to be on the plains (pretty hot in the Summer) not in the Mountains where it's cool. Erie Airpark's current cheapest lot is $800K! Compare that with existing homes at airparks in other places; CO becomes far less appealing; check out some of the properties on https://www.barnstormers.com/category-16174-Airport-Property.html not long ago I saw a multi building private home with strip in Southern New Mexico in the $300s!


One of the nicest things about FL is the enormous aviation community that exists there and the large number of airports to support it. And if you want to leave for a change of scenery you can get on a commercial flight easily and cheaply.

Silver west C08 SW of Pueblo is incredibly reasonable then. $28k - $40k for a 5 acre lot. Hour drive to Pueblo or a bit more to Colorado Springs or Alamosa.

 

[Craig]

Calif. became a tax suck for transients a lot of years ago. Those of us that traveled for company business, quit taking trips out to Edwards due to the tax law changes if we could. Went from 30 days continuous to 30 days cumulative in a year to start having to pay Calif. taxes.

 

[luvflyin]

Calif. became a tax suck for transients a lot of years ago. Those of us that traveled for company business, quit taking trips out to Edwards due to the tax law changes if we could. Went from 30 days continuous to 30 days cumulative in a year to start having to pay Calif. taxes.

Taxes on what? Income? All, or just California source income?

 

[Rogue_Ryder]

Silver west C08 SW of Pueblo is incredibly reasonable then. $28k - $40k for a 5 acre lot. Hour drive to Pueblo or a bit more to Colorado Springs or Alamosa.

Yeah I should've said there IS cheap land in this state and believe it or not the San Luis valley is one of the cheapest places to buy land in the US (that's actually livable). It's just not many people want to live in such a remote place. Like you said 1hr to Pueblo and close to 2 if you need to go to the Springs and DIA is a very long way away if you want to travel (there's flights out of the Springs but not nearly the options of DIA).

Don't get me wrong I do like to visit that area, the sand dunes, bishop castle in the hills on the East Side are definitely worthy places to visit and the Aviation museum over in Pueblo is top notch. One of the best breakfasts I've had in Colorado is down in that neck of the woods in Del Norte called the Mystic Biscuit, if you're down there stop in!

 

[Craig]

Taxes on what? Income? All, or just California source income?

Supposed to be only what was earned in Ca. We had guys that fought the state for months over what was earned in state and what was out of state. Couple of guys had to spend $$$$ to finally prove multiple times to Ca. that they were not residents. Was bad for guys coming back stateside that had layovers in Ca. and that would put them over the 30 day window.

 

[luvflyin]

Supposed to be only what was earned in Ca. We had guys that fought the state for months over what was earned in state and what was out of state. Couple of guys had to spend $$$$ to finally prove multiple times to Ca. that they were not residents. Was bad for guys coming back stateside that had layovers in Ca. and that would put them over the 30 day window.

Ah. Got it. Thanks