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hindsight is 20/20. its easy to look back on a situation and determine that normally standard and routine decision making was suddenly poor because this time it led to an accident.
 
hindsight is 20/20. its easy to look back on a situation and determine that normally standard and routine decision making was suddenly poor because this time it led to an accident.

Absolutely agree. I wish I knew more of the details. I don't have much turbine time, but a double failure in a turbine aircraft seems like it should have been avoided. I feel so sad, that a 1.5 year-old died.
 
hindsight is 20/20. its easy to look back on a situation and determine that normally standard and routine decision making was suddenly poor because this time it led to an accident.

Yes it is. But, the decision to fly right past a perfectly good runway when you know the remaining engine has issues shows some pretty questionable judgement.
 
Apparently, the bad decisions started 146 flights before this one when maintenance both failed to repair the plane and to down the plane until fixed. With 146 flights in the not so perfect plane were completed safely previously, HIS experience was the plane would bring him home. To him, it wasn't an emergency.
It seems to be the same problem many pilots have; what constitutes an emergency. Without knowing what other chatter was going on, or what other experience this pilot had previously with this plane, it's hard to know why he made the choice he did. We all want to end our flights on home court. What we have to avoid is passing up a perfectly fine - SAFE - landing and pushing on through get-there-itis.
 
146 flights with a "deferred" maintenance item on the fuel system? Seems to me like the general agreed with a colonel for whom I once worked on the operations staff at the 20th Wing: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it, but if it ain't fixed, don't fly it." It shouldn't take hindsight to see that's not the way to do business, and it shouldn't take a general to tell a squadron commander that, either.
 
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hindsight is 20/20. its easy to look back on a situation and determine that normally standard and routine decision making was suddenly poor because this time it led to an accident.

Gotta disagree there. This was a string of bad decisions even without
the crash. To take a jet over a populated area when it's down to a
single point of failure with a known issue on the still operating engine
is criminal in my mind. They made convenience the overriding factor
when they could have headed for the other field and came in over
the water.

The only good thing is they didn't cover it up and heads rolled.

The loser is the guy who lost his home and family.
 
The looser has asked everyone to pray for the pilot. Sometimes people can make me really proud.
 
id be interested to know if the pilot even knew about the fuel problem.
 
My thoughts, per the OP's request:

As has been mentioned, deferral of maintenance action was not a good idea. Head's should have rolled for this alone. According to the discipline handed out, it would seem that this was the gross error in this incident, and the handling of the emergency the lesser error.

The automated systems on advanced aircraft, especially combat aircraft, are difficult at best to truly understand (more fun to untangle Christmas tree lights). And they tend to take care of themselves quite capably and unnoticed right up to the point of complete failure. This makes it difficult to diagnose problems airborne, as well as fix problems while on the ground.

Single pilots are taught to use the second radio for CRM, talking to either another pilot in the flight or a squadron duty officer on the ground. This allows one to aviate, another, less encumbered pilot to evaluate and offer a course of action. However, the pilot with the problem is the one who 'signed for the jet' and ultimately has the final say. It seems in this case, a pilot in training, talking to a senior, experienced pilot on the ground, was led (possibly told to make) a decision to pass up a perfectly good runway. This is understandable, but possibly not excusable. His future will be / has been determined by an evaluation board, which will take into account all training to date, not just this one incident. This is a proper course of action.

Without current procedures in front of me, I am not sure if the situation was a 'Land as soon as practical' or 'Land as soon as possible'. If the former, there is always considerable discussion on exactly what 'practical' means. But procedures are written in blood, and always up for review.

And I very much agree that the forgiving father of the family is a very, very honorable man.
 
Does the NTSB participate in investigating Military crashes?
The NTSB has authority over civilian US crashes. In the case of military crashes the military safety mishap board is the ruling body. But because of the expertise from the NTSB they are sometime brought in as experts to the military investiagation. Military reports are also not neccessisarily made public and that one would have to apply under FOIA to get a copy of it. In many cases the report may be actually classified since it could reveal weakness in a wepaons system.
 
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