[rant]Why can't Apple[/rant]

[Sac Arrow]

Fix its iphone picture rotation problem? It's a known problem. It's been a problem for years. The picture looks fine on the screen, so the phone knows which way is up. And it saves correctly on the phone itself.

But noplace esle. Come on. There has to be a fix. And no, I don't feel like going in to edit mode, yada yada I just want it to be right.

 

[Kelvin]

I hatred Apple for these types of reasons...nothing esle..all except their stock that is...

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Put the home button on the right. And don't bother with portrait images. Every dedicated camera detects orientation, and Apple can, too, but they don't.

 

[Matthew]

Apple...it just works.

I found a work-around, someone here suggested it. But you have to edit the photo, don't make any changes, then re-save it. After that, you can post it and it's good. But nobody should have to do that.

 

[denverpilot]

Hell they can’t even rotate their home screen icons yet. LOL.

 

[Sac Arrow]

Put the home button on the right. And don't bother with portrait images. Every dedicated camera detects orientation, and Apple can, too, but they don't.

Well see that's the thing - 99% of the pictures I take ARE portrait. And no, I'm not trading off resolution by cropping a landscape.

 

[denverpilot]

And the security chip in all the Macs...


https://www.wired.com/story/apple-t2-chip-unfixable-flaw-jailbreak-mac/

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Well see that's the thing - 99% of the pictures I take ARE portrait. And no, I'm not trading off resolution by cropping a landscape.

I agree with you. I suppose whoever made that software decision doesn't use the product.

 

[GaryM]

I hope Apple still can. I’m picking up a new iPhone 12 on Friday, the day of release. Not because I have to have the latest gadget, but because my 6 year old iPhone 6 is finally suffering multiple system failures.

It will also be nice to finally have enough memory to not have to delete a photo every time I want to take a photo.

 

[denverpilot]

It will also be nice to finally have enough memory to not have to delete a photo every time I want to take a photo.

Why the heck were you doing that?!

If you’re trying to avoid Apple iCloud storage costs, either the free Google Photo App or if you have Prime, Amazon’s Photo App will happily back up and then remove photos from Apple devices for free... (check upload quality limits, they change from time to time but at least one of those or a fairly long list of other competitors will take full resolution. Dropbox and others have similar.)

No real reason to pay Apple multiples above the going price for online storage to clear out a device to put things in iCloud, that’s for sure.

If you were going for something more local and non-cloud, a number of the consumer NAS devices will store that stuff from their iOS Apps also, I believe.

The first two apps mentioned above are nicely integrated and will shuffle things up if you launch them occasionally and ask you if you want them off the iOS storage after completion. Apple’s inability to do true multitasking for iOS blocks them (conveniently, since Apple’s own background link to iCloud magically works fine all the time — it’s not a real technical limitation) unless you open them.

Anyway... definitely no need to pay for any of the most expensive cloud storage on the market for photos. Hope that helps.

 

[smv]

I hope Apple still can. I’m picking up a new iPhone 12 on Friday, the day of release. Not because I have to have the latest gadget, but because my 6 year old iPhone 6 is finally suffering multiple system failures.

It will also be nice to finally have enough memory to not have to delete a photo every time I want to take a photo.

Why not just insert a larger SD ca... Oh yah. Never mind.

 

[flhrci]

If you were going for something more local and non-cloud, a number of the consumer NAS devices will store that stuff from their iOS Apps also, I believe.

My QNAP NAS will not do Apple iCloud unfortunately. Other clouds, yes.

 

[denverpilot]

My QNAP NAS will not do Apple iCloud unfortunately. Other clouds, yes.

Not what I said. Zero connection to iCloud.

Phone straight to QNAP.

 

[GaryM]

Why the heck were you doing that?!

All valid options, and a nice summary as well.

I have everything backed up to the Mac once a week or so, that gets automatically backed up hourly, and I make a separate backup and store it offsite once a quarter or so, so the photos are safe. I just like to keep a lot of stuff on the phone to show people, and I’m in areas with no cell service or WiFi often enough that it can be a problem.

 

[denverpilot]

All valid options, and a nice summary as well.

I have everything backed up to the Mac once a week or so, that gets automatically backed up hourly, and I make a separate backup and store it offsite once a quarter or so, so the photos are safe. I just like to keep a lot of stuff on the phone to show people, and I’m in areas with no cell service or WiFi often enough that it can be a problem.

That being without coverage thing, can feel ya there... pretty common out here.

People are starting to be honestly surprised when you tell them you will be dropping the call at the top of the next hill in 20 seconds. Ha.

They have no idea what not only not having coverage but knowing exactly where you don’t, even is. LOL.

 

[smv]

That being without coverage thing, can feel ya there... pretty common out here.

People are starting to be honestly surprised when you tell them you will be dropping the call at the top of the next hill in 20 seconds. Ha.

They have no idea what not only not having coverage but knowing exactly where you don’t, even is. LOL.

Was a time I knew every 100 yard stretch of highway between Bozeman and West Yellowstone that had either sufficient signal for a voice call or at least enough to get a text message to send. WAY too many hours working the canyon installing satellite TV and internet.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

While we are at it, load a different PDF viewer that doesn't ask me to log-in to read a PDF (like Adobe does). Delete the old one, why delete all the PDFs too?

 

[wsuffa]

Because Apple doesn't care what you think. They insist that you must work the way they decide you will work, and you will use the tools they decide you will use. Apple has done some things right, but at the same time it's become an overlord with respect to a lot of stuff. Which is worse? Google's monopoly behavior and building a dossier on your? Or Apple's monopoly behavior in "you must do things our way"?

 

[MIFlyer]

Because Apple doesn't care what you think. They insist that you must work the way they decide you will work, and you will use the tools they decide you will use. Apple has done some things right, but at the same time it's become an overlord with respect to a lot of stuff. Which is worse? Google's monopoly behavior and building a dossier on your? Or Apple's monopoly behavior in "you must do things our way"?

honestly, google is way worse. They have entered the "make you do it their way" by forcing logins on sharing documents (ie, you receive an attachment in email, but to view it (not a link, an actual attachment), they make me login to google drive. There are many other anti consumer behaviors like this if you look. it's infuriating. If I forward the same mail to outlook, I can just view/download/print/save the attachment with no drama.

Starting about 2 years ago, they also decided to decide to what you were searching for, breaking search, so now specific terms, even using quotes and + signs are super iffy. I'm fine with allowing natural language search, but they could have done this and still remained a true search engine for those that want it. I honestly find search marginal now. It's almost impossible to find a blog or discussion on something that's not "corporate"

 

[denverpilot]

Because Apple doesn't care what you think. They insist that you must work the way they decide you will work, and you will use the tools they decide you will use. Apple has done some things right, but at the same time it's become an overlord with respect to a lot of stuff. Which is worse? Google's monopoly behavior and building a dossier on your? Or Apple's monopoly behavior in "you must do things our way"?

They’re all bad. MSFT went down this path also.

The industry as a whole is just begging to get heavily slapped by regulators about how data is being handled.

Almost wish they’d overstep bounds further just to get the necessary emotional reaction from US masses that would trigger our own version of GDPR.

 

[wsuffa]

They’re all bad. MSFT went down this path also.

The industry as a whole is just begging to get heavily slapped by regulators about how data is being handled.

Almost wish they’d overstep bounds further just to get the necessary emotional reaction from US masses that would trigger our own version of GDPR.

Not going to happen. We are frogs in the pot of water being brought to boil.

There is no political will to do that. None. Especially since the social media folks can be kingmakers by using their "fact checking" proceeds. So you have one party that feeds off of that kind of thing, and another party that won't restrict it in fear of hurting business and the markets. None of them want to risk something that would crash the markets. It's "party over people".
______________________________ not crossing that line.

Your are the product being sold, and a LOT of people are OK with that. Those who aren't? Well, they apparently drive Ford Torinos. This is what a duopoly with no real competition looks like. (And if you throw notebook/desktop in it's an oligopoly). The consumer really has no power.

 

[kayoh190]

I’m pretty platform agnostic, and everything I use has elements that p!ss me off. Even Linux bothers me lately. The good news is that consumer stuff has gotten so inexpensive, I can bounce around from one platform to another as I play the “how have you p!ssed me off lately?” game without going broke. Heh!

 

[jordane93]

They eventually fix the problem. You just have to buy the latest iPhone every year. The products are really not that great, they just have an amazing marketing team.

 

[GaryM]

They eventually fix the problem. You just have to buy the latest iPhone every year. The products are really not that great, they just have an amazing marketing team.

I went three years between my first and second iPhones, It will have been six years between my second and third. Everything kept working right along, the older phones just ran out of sufficient storage for my purposes. The IOS for my iPhone 6 is stuck at v12, so eventually apps being rolled out for v13 and 14 will stop working on it...but at least Apple is still releasing patches for v12, so even that isn't dead yet.

 

[jordane93]

I went three years between my first and second iPhones, It will have been six years between my second and third. Everything kept working right along, the older phones just ran out of sufficient storage for my purposes. The IOS for my iPhone 6 is stuck at v12, so eventually apps being rolled out for v13 and 14 will stop working on it...but at least Apple is still releasing patches for v12, so even that isn't dead yet.

I was late to the iPhone game. My first one was the 7 and I got that about 8 months after it came out. I had it until I got the 11. I hear the 6’s battery is trash so it’s basically useless.

 

[Everskyward]

I'm not even sure that I've encountered the problem. The only time the rotation seems wrong is when I take a photo looking pretty much vertically down so that the phone doesn't know which way I want 'up' to be. Then I rotate it and it's fine. My photos post into various other programs without having to be rotated.

 

[deonb]

My company writes multi-platform photo management software, and both Apple's and Microsoft's HEIC/HEVC orientation is a huge pain.

Not only do they frequently report the wrong values, they change it 2 or 3 times per year and change where it's stored.

Even more painful, Apple stores still images using the HEVC codec in an HEIC container - and then they store their Live photos outside of it (even though the container supports it). It's like they're purposefully TRY to break 3rd party interop with HEIC - which is supposed to be a standard. We try to keep up, but it's painful.

 

[flhrci]

I’m pretty platform agnostic, and everything I use has elements that p!ss me off. Even Linux bothers me lately. The good news is that consumer stuff has gotten so inexpensive, I can bounce around from one platform to another as I play the “how have you p!ssed me off lately?” game without going broke. Heh!

How's the operating systems in the aircraft you fly?

 

[DaleB]

I was late to the iPhone game. My first one was the 7 and I got that about 8 months after it came out. I had it until I got the 11. I hear the 6’s battery is trash so it’s basically useless.

I carried my wife's old 6 for several months after we got her an 11. The battery would last half a day. A replacement battery cost me under $20, and took about 15-20 minutes to replace... after that it was fine again. But soooooo slooooooooooooowwwww. Some apps, like those for our Ring and Wyze cameras, were utterly useless. I sold the 6 for a hundred bucks, and replaced it with an SE. All good.

I do not like Apple's "We know what's best, just be quiet and do it our way. Here, have a sip of this, it's flavored!!" approach. I also don't like Google's "We're not Apple, we're bright and shiny" while they pick your pocket and stick their nose into every single thing you think, say, or do, and use all of it against you. Of the two, I find iPhones to be currently the less
objectionable choice, and yes, I used to carry Android phones and still have an Android tablet. At least Apple is overt and up front about trying to sell me stuff.

I was around to see the beginning of all this stuff. I ran a dialup Internet service provider (remember those??) starting back in 1994. I've actually strung RG58 for Ethernet runs between computers running Windows and Warp - and that was to replace the twisted-pair ARCNET we'd been using. Not trying to sound like a geezer, but my point is that there was a time when I thought of my relationship to my various electronic devices as that of an enthusiast and hobbyist. Now they're just conveniences that I use as little as I can, and trust not one single bit. Once I couldn't imagine moving somewhere "off grid" with no cell or data coverage... now it really doesn't seem like that bad of an idea.

 

[weilke]

Anyone here old enough to remember when Microsoft was the great satan that stifled everything with their anticompetitive practices ?
People just like to complain.

 

[kayoh190]

How's the operating systems in the aircraft you fly?

Can't speak to the OS, but I'm pretty sure the avionics in even my brand new birds are being powered by a 6502. Well okay, I'm exaggerating - perhaps a 286.

 

[nauga]

Can't speak to the OS, but I'm pretty sure the avionics in even my brand new birds are being powered by a 6502. Well okay, I'm exaggerating - perhaps a 286.

I can say with a straight face that I have encountered projects using (or trying to use, to be more accurate) Windows, Linux, and a variety of 'mobile' OSs as RTOSs in avionics or other aircraft systems.

In general I think the layman probably grossly overestimates the processing power required for most (not all) avionics...or maybe, until you get to the 'must look cool' requirement.

Nauga,
overclocked

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I can say with a straight face that I have encountered projects using (or trying to use, to be more accurate) Windows, Linux, and a variety of 'mobile' OSs as RTOSs in avionics or other aircraft systems.

In general I think the layman probably grossly overestimates the processing power required for most (not all) avionics...or maybe, until you get to the 'must look cool' requirement.

Nauga,
overclocked

And if you need more processing power, have a separate CPU do the processing and send the results to the main program.

 

[jsstevens]

Anyone here old enough to remember when Microsoft was the great satan that stifled everything with their anticompetitive practices ?
People just like to complain.

I'm old enough to remember when they were an upstart and were never going to overcome CP/M.

And @nauga is certainly correct that darn near all of the actual processing required for avionics doesn't require a whole lot of horsepower (by today's standards). The GUI's, on the other hand...

Having written a number of systems that had to run 24/7x365, it's a lot more specialized than it seems. General purpose OS's: Windows, Linux, MacOS (BSD anyone?) are not constructed and designed for that. They can be adapted (though how much work would be required for Windows I have no idea), but it's a lot of work. Real Time OSs (RTOS, VRTX, et. al.) are designed from the ground up for such things and writing software on those is a different experience.

John

 

[denverpilot]

Having written a number of systems that had to run 24/7x365, it's a lot more specialized than it seems. General purpose OS's: Windows, Linux, MacOS (BSD anyone?) are not constructed and designed for that. They can be adapted (though how much work would be required for Windows I have no idea), but it's a lot of work. Real Time OSs (RTOS, VRTX, et. al.) are designed from the ground up for such things and writing software on those is a different experience.

I liked my brief stint writing Microware OS/9 code for telecom, but RTOSes are truly a brain breaker.

Certainly will get your priorities about what HAS to run at the cost of all other things straight, though.

It kinda ruins you on consumer OSes though.

“What do you mean the downloader for updates can crash ring zero? Are you idiots insane?” LOL.

Trying to remember our old cheat list. Call processing always came first, because if the phone wasn’t answered nobody got paid. Then billing second, because anything you can’t bill for is just a hobby. The rest like user interface was waaaaay down there. Ha.

But us telecom folk were the tie dye hippie freaks of RTOS compared to the DoD stuff. At least our mistakes didn’t blow up the wrong humans into little meat chunks. Ha. Some of our coders were missile system refugees.

 

[smv]

Having written a number of systems that had to run 24/7x365, it's a lot more specialized than it seems. General purpose OS's: Windows, Linux, MacOS (BSD anyone?) are not constructed and designed for that.

The vast majority of the roadside electronic billboards out there are running on an embedded Win7.

Edit: Those not running Win7 are typically still on XP.

 

[wsuffa]

The vast majority of the roadside electronic billboards out there are running on an embedded Win7.

Edit: Those not running Win7 are typically still on XP.

Yep. Somewhere I have a photo taken in the last few weeks of an electronic billboard - a big roadside billboard - that was displaying the BSOD. Amusing to me - surely not so to the billboard owner.

 

[weilke]

Yep. Somewhere I have a photo taken in the last few weeks of an electronic billboard - a big roadside billboard - that was displaying the BSOD. Amusing to me - surely not so to the billboard owner.

Always funny to see airport screens displaying a BSOD or one of the 10 different pop up windows that indicate that someone needs power cycle the box or call support.

 

[smv]

Yep. Somewhere I have a photo taken in the last few weeks of an electronic billboard - a big roadside billboard - that was displaying the BSOD. Amusing to me - surely not so to the billboard owner.

Always funny to see airport screens displaying a BSOD or one of the 10 different pop up windows that indicate that someone needs power cycle the box or call support.

It is events like those that keep the light in my refrigerator shining on food...

 

[jsstevens]

I liked my brief stint writing Microware OS/9 code for telecom, but RTOSes are truly a brain breaker.

Certainly will get your priorities about what HAS to run at the cost of all other things straight, though.

It kinda ruins you on consumer OSes though.

“What do you mean the downloader for updates can crash ring zero? Are you idiots insane?” LOL.

Trying to remember our old cheat list. Call processing always came first, because if the phone wasn’t answered nobody got paid. Then billing second, because anything you can’t bill for is just a hobby. The rest like user interface was waaaaay down there. Ha.

But us telecom folk were the tie dye hippie freaks of RTOS compared to the DoD stuff. At least our mistakes didn’t blow up the wrong humans into little meat chunks. Ha. Some of our coders were missile system refugees.

Mine was a combination of security systems and backup systems for networks (before networking software was general purpose. Remember Netware? Not a realtime OS, but neither was it general purpose.) So nothing I did would blow anybody up thankfully.

No question telecom systems programmers "get it". It's a very different mind set. Can't use heap memory: not prediction of how long it takes to get a block. No thread locks. (Well, almost none! And you better have done your design of those right.) So many things to remember.

I went on a job interview after a couple of years of this stuff. In the interview they asked me to write a code snippet to process a tree data structure (classic example of recursion). I looked at it for a bit and told the interviewer I was missing something because it can't be this hard. He said "Recursion?" Oh, yeah. That. Knocked it out in about a minute after that revelation. I explained what I'd been doing prior. He kind of got it, but I didn't get the job...