Proof our government thinks backwards

[rubber314chicken]

To get a driver's license you need "58" ("50" with a licensed driver over 21 and 8 with an instructor. I include the "" because you don't need to have to log it) hours of driving time.

To get a pilot's license, you need a full 40 hours, all of which must be logged.

Why would they require less time for a more complex vehicle (3 control axises vs 2, etc)?

 

[wabower]

Because somebody knew the average time required to get a PPL was about 120 hours and figured that learning to drive a car was only half as hard?

To get a driver's license you need "58" ("50" with a licensed driver over 21 and 8 with an instructor. I include the "" because you don't need to have to log it) hours of driving time.

To get a pilot's license, you need a full 40 hours, all of which must be logged.

Why would they require less time for a more complex vehicle (3 control axises vs 2, etc)?

 

[flyersfan31]

To get a driver's license you need "58" ("50" with a licensed driver over 21 and 8 with an instructor. I include the "" because you don't need to have to log it) hours of driving time.

To get a pilot's license, you need a full 40 hours, all of which must be logged.

Why would they require less time for a more complex vehicle (3 control axises vs 2, etc)?

What state is that? I don't recall any such requirements for PA. That was almost 30 yrs ago, of course, but the only thing Drivers Ed did was reduce your insurance premium.

 

[Gary]

What state is that? I don't recall any such requirements for PA. That was almost 30 yrs ago, of course, but the only thing Drivers Ed did was reduce your insurance premium.

Things are a bit different now in PA. Do need 40? hours, signed off by a parent, and a 6 month period after you get your learners permit before you can take the test. You are right, back in the "good old days" you could just take your test on your 16th. birthday. The discounts on insurance for drivers ed and good grades still exist.

Gary

 

[rubber314chicken]

What state is that? I don't recall any such requirements for PA. That was almost 30 yrs ago, of course, but the only thing Drivers Ed did was reduce your insurance premium.

In Ohio you need 50 hours with a parent (no logs, just a signature for it) 8 hours with an instructor, and 24 hours of class.

 

[Nav8tor]

Things are a bit different now in PA. Do need 40? hours, signed off by a parent, and a 6 month period after you get your learners permit before you can take the test. You are right, back in the "good old days" you could just take your test on your 16th. birthday. The discounts on insurance for drivers ed and good grades still exist.

Gary

That's for kids under 18

 

[Dean]

Because somebody knew the average time required to get a PPL was about 120 hours and figured that learning to drive a car was only half as hard?

I don't think the average is 120, more like 55-60. If it took someone 120 hours to get their PP certificate, I don't think I would fly with them. (boy am I gone a hear about that statement)

 

[flyersfan31]

Things are a bit different now in PA. Do need 40? hours, signed off by a parent, and a 6 month period after you get your learners permit before you can take the test. You are right, back in the "good old days" you could just take your test on your 16th. birthday. The discounts on insurance for drivers ed and good grades still exist.

Gary

Sheesh, and I thought I had missed out on the good old days. Man, now I feel lucky!!

 

[TMetzinger]

National average for Private cert is in the 70s.

The minimum driving time cited here (and in other states) is for minors. There's generally no such limit for adults - only passing the written and road tests.

 

[ScottM]

To get a driver's license you need "58"

58 WHAT? Dollars? Chickens?

 

[bbchien]

58 WHAT? Dollars? Chickens?

Hours logged behind the wheel.

My daughters had no idea how bad a risk they were when they started driving.

My older one is why the younger has my former personal Toyota Camry. I has NO OEM body panels on it.

 

[rubber314chicken]

National average for Private cert is in the 70s.

The minimum driving time cited here (and in other states) is for minors. There's generally no such limit for adults - only passing the written and road tests.

I know, but its little crazy considering I could get a pilot's license in about the same time as I could get a driver's license.

smigaldi- its hours....

 

[jesse]

I've been through both sides--and learning to drive a car with all those hours isn't very intense, in fact, most people just make them up.

Learning to fly an airplane requires 40 hours of training which is *extremely intense* and requires *lots* of studying to really truly be a good pilot.

Driving requires you sign up for a couple lessons, drive with your parents some, and then claim it took 58 hours.

 

[flyersfan31]

Driving requires you sign up for a couple lessons, drive with your parents some, and then claim it took 58 hours.

Don't you love government policies that make it look like legislators are actually doing something, even if they aren't, yet they end up making the general public suffer?

58hrs? What a crock. Style over substance. One 8hr day at Skip Barber is worth 358hrs of driving around with dad, dutifully logging the time.

What we NEED, is a serious test of driving skills, as they have in England. What we get is a feel good exercise in political masturbation.

 

[rubber314chicken]

I've been through both sides--and learning to drive a car with all those hours isn't very intense, in fact, most people just make them up.

Learning to fly an airplane requires 40 hours of training which is *extremely intense* and requires *lots* of studying to really truly be a good pilot.

Driving requires you sign up for a couple lessons, drive with your parents some, and then claim it took 58 hours.

Yep, that really sucks that they want you to waste so much time (and gas) to get a license. Why spend a ton of time learning nothing? And then the same people that want you to drive for 58 hours also complain about pollution.

It would make a lot more sense if you had to actually log the time (and it was less time... maybe 15 hours?) and turn in the log as proof. Why make stupid laws that will not be enforced. I only know one person that actually had to log his hours, and he is a very bad driver, which really speaks volumes about quantity vs. quality.

 

[Skip Miller]

My older one is why the younger has my former personal Toyota Camry. I has NO OEM body panels on it.

My older one totalled my Volvo 240 with 200k miles on it, before she even got her license. Which is why I had a Volvo 240 with 200k miles on it.

That was back in 2001. Neither kid has had an accident since...

-Skip

 

[tonycondon]

yea they had some stupid hourly requirement, but we never logged anything and it no one asked when i got my license. considering that i started driving 3/4 wheelers and snowmobiles when i was 5ish, solo'd farm equipment around 10-12 and had my first solo of a car on the road at 12. once i got my permit (at 14) i was driving my dad and I to work and back and at 15 driving my sister and I to school. by 16 i think i had the experience for a license, but still had to get my dad to sign something when i was driving home from work after midnight thanks to graduated licenses. i waited until after i turned 17 and had a 'full' license to get in a few minor fender benders, and no problems since then.

personally i think the biggest problem with teenage drivers is their parents are too scared to let them drive anything bigger than a big wheel. no wonder they suck.

 

[Dan Thomas]

In Canada we're even more backwards. Some provinces require an applicant to be 16 to get a learner's permit; in Alberta it's 14. The learner must have a driver who, IIRC, is at least 21 years old along with him at all times. Got to be 16 to get the license.
But in Canada a student pilot can solo at 14, licensed at 17. An instructor could be as young as 18.

Dan