Preferred Part 141 Curriculum

[Tim Taylor]

I am participating in a discussion about a flight school considering switching from Part 61 to Part 141.

Those who have studied and/or taught more than one, which one do you prefer and why?

We are considering Gleim, Jeppesen, Sporty's and King.

Any other ideas and all feedback is greatly appreciated.

 

[RussR]

Which syllabus are you using currently? Might just try to stick with that one if it's familiar to all the CFIs.

 

[bobmrg]

I am participating in a discussion about a flight school considering switching from Part 61 to Part 141.

Those who have studied and/or taught more than one, which one do you prefer and why?

We are considering Gleim, Jeppesen, Sporty's and King.

Any other ideas and all feedback is greatly appreciated.

The local FSDO has the final say on approval of a training syllabus. Check with your Principal Operations Inspector.

Bob Gardner

 

[Tim Taylor]

Which syllabus are you using currently? Might just try to stick with that one if it's familiar to all the CFIs.

There's a number of CFI's coming together that have used different ones. I was really hoping to hear from some people who have taught some of the more common curriculum and what their pros and cons were. There's some great experience on this board.

 

[RussR]

I've taught using Jepp and Gleim. I thought they were both fine, with perhaps a slight nod toward Gleim.

I currently have a multiengine applicant, and am using the syllabus in @bobmrg 's Complete Multiengine Pilot, which I really like. I know he has a Private Pilot book but don't know if it includes a syllabus.

 

[write-stuff]

Another thing to consider: Gold Seal is free to instructors/schools and has student tracking built in.

 

[bobmrg]

I've taught using Jepp and Gleim. I thought they were both fine, with perhaps a slight nod toward Gleim.

I currently have a multiengine applicant, and am using the syllabus in @bobmrg 's Complete Multiengine Pilot, which I really like. I know he has a Private Pilot book but don't know if it includes a syllabus.

No. ASA publishes the syllabus separately..
The Complete Private Pilot Syllabus
(ASA-PPT-S6)
$12.95

 

[Clip4]

I am participating in a discussion about a flight school considering switching from Part 61 to Part 141.

Those who have studied and/or taught more than one, which one do you prefer and why?

We are considering Gleim, Jeppesen, Sporty's and King.

Any other ideas and all feedback is greatly appreciated.

There are just a two reasons the school should consider applying for a Part 141 certificate.

1. It allows students with VA benefits.
2. For school integration with a community college program.

 

[Brad Z]

I am participating in a discussion about a flight school considering switching from Part 61 to Part 141.

Those who have studied and/or taught more than one, which one do you prefer and why?

We are considering Gleim, Jeppesen, Sporty's and King.

Any other ideas and all feedback is greatly appreciated.

You know you can still offer part 61 training in addition to offering a 141 curriculum. It's not one or the other.

 

[RingLaserGyroSandwich]

There are just a two reasons the school should consider applying for a Part 141 certificate.

1. It allows students with VA benefits.
2. For school integration with a community college program.

Two other reasons would be:

1. Allow the student to earn the certificate with less hours of training
2. Allow for more hours of simulator training to count towards the certificate

They may not be particularly good reasons for primary training, but they aren’t negligible.

 

[Tim Taylor]

You know you can still offer part 61 training in addition to offering a 141 curriculum. It's not one or the other.

Absolutely.

at this point we’re just trying to settle on our curriculum set. One with good online lessons and management tools is what we really want.

i’ve used Gleim and was very pleased with it But I don’t have experience with any of the others so I’d love to learn something from the experiences of others

 

[Jonathan Osorio]

There are just a two reasons the school should consider applying for a Part 141 certificate.

1. It allows students with VA benefits.
2. For school integration with a community college program.

Talking to different flight school owners they are pursuing the Part 141 certificate to trained international students without this is not possible to apply for M1 visas.

Has this changed?

 

[Clip4]

Talking to different flight school owners they are pursuing the Part 141 certificate to trained international students without this is not possible to apply for M1 visas.

Has this changed?

A person applying for an M1 Visa has to be applying at a 141/142 school, but 90% of 141 schools are not training foreign nationals who require a M1 VISA.

Many foreign nationals train at Part 61 schools if they have work VISAs.

 

[Clip4]

Two other reasons would be:

1. Allow the student to earn the certificate with less hours of training
2. Allow for more hours of simulator training to count towards the certificate

They may not be particularly good reasons for primary training, but they aren’t negligible.

Those may appear to benefit the student, but it is not a reason to apply for a 141 certificate. The added costs of operating a 141 school will exceed the resulting savings at most small and medium sized flight schools. Add few are taking practical tests with 141 minimum hours even for the Comm or IR. The FAA has not increased to minimum hours, but they have substantially increased the standards.

 

[write-stuff]

Absolutely.

at this point we’re just trying to settle on our curriculum set. One with good online lessons and management tools is what we really want.

And that's the clincher, isn't it? Most don't have student tracking. And those that do are pretty pricey for the "flight school" version. I'm clearly biased, but you should really look at Gold Seal. It's free to instructors, includes student monitoring, and you can even customize it and brand if for your school. Here are some examples:

https://yellowjacket.groundschool.com/
https://fresnoflighttraining.groundschool.com/
https://pilotrise.groundschool.com
https://flighttrainmonroe.groundschool.com/
https://blue-ridge-sport-flight.groundschool.com/
https://skyweb.groundschool.com/
https://lbothe.groundschool.com/

 

[murphey]

The FAA has a basic syllabus for all training (FITS Generic [x] Airplane Rating Syllabus). IIRC, all commercial syllabi are based on this. So pick whichever you like - the picture on the cover, the voices on the videos, whatever. In the end, they're all required to provide the same content. Details here:

https://www.faa.gov/training_testing/training/fits/

Note the caveat in the Introduction discussing FITS acceptance.