PA-32 down Brentwood, TN

Listening to that was hard. Blessings to the pilot and his family.
 
Same, appreciate the notices. I think I'll take a pass on listening to it..
 
Very sad to hear. I wish BRS would be available for more types of planes. :(
 
Same, appreciate the notices. I think I'll take a pass on listening to it..
It's not like the other crash audios that have been going around recently.

He just makes a comment about telling his family he loves them when he realizes he is going to have to make an off airport landing. Only thing hard about it is knowing after the fact that he didn't make it.

Not saying that anyone should listen to it, but it is a very good example of a controller trying to do everything he can to assist.

On a different note..seems like there have been a few PA32 engine failures in the last month. This accident is eerily similar to the one in Virgina a couple weeks ago.
 
The controller performed exemplary effort in his interactions with the pilot. It must have been difficult for him to stay on frequency after the Southwest Airlines crew confirmed the plane crashed.
 
Heartbreaking…. Awesome job by ATC. Condolences to the family, RIP to crew.
 
Time it started??

He checks in earlier, but reports a rough-running engine around 3:00 minutes.

One of the local news reports yesterday said someone saw the pilot trying to jump from the plane after it was momentarily stuck in a tree. Take that with a grain of salt and all given the 'accuracy' of crash reports, but if true it just adds to the tragic nature of this. Some of the video and photos of the crash site do show most of the tail still in the tree, though.
 
Some of the video and photos of the crash site do show most of the tail still in the tree, though.
That did seem odd to see the remnants of the tail stuck up in the tree while the rest of the airplane was on the road thoroughly burned. Didn't seem like the kid of tree that could rip a PA32 in half.
 
Listened to the audio, controller did just about all he could, even through in some pilot tips (check mixture etc).

I must have thick skin, audio wasn't anything out of the ordinary. Military must have pounded it all out of me.
 
It's not like the other crash audios that have been going around recently.

He just makes a comment about telling his family he loves them when he realizes he is going to have to make an off airport landing. Only thing hard about it is knowing after the fact that he didn't make it.

Not saying that anyone should listen to it, but it is a very good example of a controller trying to do everything he can to assist.

On a different note..seems like there have been a few PA32 engine failures in the last month. This accident is eerily similar to the one in Virgina a couple weeks ago.
The one in Virginia messed with me for some reason. Had he not been flying in the mountains at night he could’ve made any of the hundred fields in the area, but I imagine all he saw was pitch black and flew into terrain. One of the reasons I try and avoid night flying, even though it’s my favorite time to fly. RIP
 
Sad RIP condolences to the family.
 
Could that not have been caused by some other failure? I mean, if you start making metal, you're going to tear other things up and they will end up in the filter / screens.
 
Rubber shreds....fragments get filtered by the oil pump intake screen....screen clogs....loss of OP...pistons seize.... you know the rest.
 
"The airplane’s most recent annual inspection was completed October 4, 2022, at 3,623.3 total aircraft hours."

Fatal accident occurred on October 18, 2022. Preliminary found lots of things wrong. I'm thinking they may want to have a chit-chat with whomever signed off the annual ...
 
"The airplane’s most recent annual inspection was completed October 4, 2022, at 3,623.3 total aircraft hours."

Fatal accident occurred on October 18, 2022. Preliminary found lots of things wrong. I'm thinking they may want to have a chit-chat with whomever signed off the annual ...


OH that is really bad. This is truly sad. May he RIP.
 
Are there consequences beyond loss of certification for an A&P who does negligent work?
 
100 hours flown since 2012.

That was my takeaway as well. Of course the engine/engine-compartment is going to be an accessory dry rotted rust bucket, with that kind of utilization. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance amongst the "pride in ownership" crowd, from where I sit as the owner of a cosmetically unsightly aircraft oft-accused of maintenance dereliction by cosmetics proxy.

In that vein, the irony behind the purpose of the maintenance flight being avionics related does not escape me in the least.

Underutilization in this sector of the hobby is a bigger deal than it lets on. Lots of stupid money thrown at the wrong end of these contraptions imo.

As to the liability concern, my bet is nothing happens to the IA who signed off on that contraption. Glad to stand corrected on that front of course.
 
There are large swaths of the Southeastern US where a forced landing is going to be at best problematic.
 
Are there consequences beyond loss of certification for an A&P who does negligent work?

No, there isn't. We know an A/P IA who couldn't properly document a rebuild he did in the field on an engine that came apart in flight. They pulled his IA. That's all.
 
Are there consequences beyond loss of certification for an A&P who does negligent work?
Yes. From a regulatory point his certificate could be revoked depending on the level of violation, but from the civil tort side the sky is the limit. However, until more info is released in the public docket no telling what the failure mechanism was, how much time it was flown since the annual on Oct 12th, etc. Even the effects of the noted cylinder rust is unknown without more context, pics, etc.
 
Sorry if it's a stupid question, but would the presence of rust in the cylinders be something that should be caught during an annual?
 
Rubber shreds....fragments get filtered by the oil pump intake screen....screen clogs....loss of OP...pistons seize.... you know the rest.
but they mention that the items in the screen were from the magneto drive cushion. i don't understand how that ends up in the oil system
 
Sorry if it's a stupid question, but would the presence of rust in the cylinders be something that should be caught during an annual?
Not necessarily. Doubt every engine is getting borescoped every annual. And even then a little light surface rust doesn't necessarily mean the engine is gonna quit. Pitting...now that's another story. But it does tell a story. But that story was told when it's averaged 10 hours a year the last decade.
 
These days, with inexpensive good borescopes, there is no good reason for the cylinders to not have been visually inspected.
 
but they mention that the items in the screen were from the magneto drive cushion. i don't understand how that ends up in the oil system
Is the magneto drive cushion on that engine in the oily part of the engine? If so, bits can get into the pan. If not, there's another can of worms.
 
Argh. RIP.

This is the reason I don't fly high-speed singles without a BRS. Training or Bush plane will land slow enough that putting it down in trees will result in minimal injuries, but a fast plane and well that's a rough time. Energy goes up with the square of velocity.
 
Sorry if it's a stupid question, but would the presence of rust in the cylinders be something that should be caught during an annual?
No stupid questions. But no its not something that is usually addressed at the annual. With the right conditions any engine will rust in a week if not flown. As mentioned above it also depends on the extent of the rust which is not known, but since there was no mention of rust in other areas it maybe simply a preliminary observation during the initial teardown.
but they mention that the items in the screen were from the magneto drive cushion. i don't understand how that ends up in the oil system
There are some magneto drive designs that could allow those rubbers to drop into the accessory case if not careful. It happens. Lycoming came out with a mod that secured the rubbers to the drive adapter so to minimize this problem.
 
Argh. RIP.

This is the reason I don't fly high-speed singles without a BRS. Training or Bush plane will land slow enough that putting it down in trees will result in minimal injuries, but a fast plane and well that's a rough time. Energy goes up with the square of velocity.
I think that's the first time I've ever heard someone call a PA32 fast. ;)
 
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