Overflying Canada

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I've got a trip planned from MN to Mass., overflying Ontario. Do I have to do anything other than file an IFR plight plan to overfly Ontario?? Thanks.
 
P-BaronDriver said:
I've got a trip planned from MN to Mass., overflying Ontario. Do I have to do anything other than file an IFR plight plan to overfly Ontario?? Thanks.
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Carrying guns? Landing with guns aboard in Canada is a big no-no. If it were I making the flight, I'd be sure to leave the guns at home. -Skip
 
Skip Miller said:
Carrying guns? Landing with guns aboard in Canada is a big no-no. If it were I making the flight, I'd be sure to leave the guns at home. -Skip
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Depends on the guns, as well as why you've got 'em.

But he's just overflying, not landing. In that case, he just doesn't get caught ;)

Fly safe!

David
 
I think your question has to do with whether you need to do any Customs notification for and international overflight without a landing. In the case you described the answer is no.

Your flight plan does not need to be IFR. A standard VFR flight plan will suffice.

Jon
 
Isn't there a requirement for FCC radio licenses?
 
AuntPeggy said:
Isn't there a requirement for FCC radio licenses?
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You don't need one in Canada. You don't need one in the U.S., but you need one to take off in one country and land in the other. Since you aren't landing in Canada - no.
 
If you wanted to be super cautious, you may want to plan for a possible "emergency" landing while overflying Canada and therefor carry all required documentation.
 
P-BaronDriver said:
I've got a trip planned from MN to Mass., overflying Ontario. Do I have to do anything other than file an IFR plight plan to overfly Ontario?? Thanks.
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Just curious, Are you flying over the lakes or going down through MI and over the falls?

Dan
 
Are you gonna get a bill from Trasport Canada for ATC services? Or do you only get billed when you actually land in Canada?

Pete
 
Skip Miller said:
Carrying guns? Landing with guns aboard in Canada is a big no-no. If it were I making the flight, I'd be sure to leave the guns at home.
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You won't be allowed to bring a rifle or shotgun into Canada unless it's hunting season and/or you're off to the wilderness, but for a landing while in transit to/from points in the US it'll just be paperwork. Handguns are prohibited in Canada. Land with one of those and it'll be taken away.

I'd carry passports for the overflight if I had them just in case an emergency or precautionary landing is needed. One less thing to get hassled about.

Regards,
Joe
 
Joe B said:
You won't be allowed to bring a rifle or shotgun into Canada unless it's hunting season and/or you're off to the wilderness, but for a landing while in transit to/from points in the US it'll just be paperwork. Handguns are prohibited in Canada. Land with one of those and it'll be taken away.

I'd carry passports for the overflight if I had them just in case an emergency or precautionary landing is needed. One less thing to get hassled about.

Regards,
Joe
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That is not true..I carry a shot gun in canada any day I like, It costs 25 american for a 60 day premit.

READ this form from the Canadain Friearms centre

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/pdfs/909.pdf

Going to alaska with firearms you'll need this form.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Yeah, but last time I carried shotguns through Canada without needing them for hunting or survival purposes, they sealed the airplane until I left.
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Their customs officers are like ours, they do as they please. I've never had any problems the many times I go back and forth.

It's only 35 miles to Victoria from here. Call Canadain customs and ask the reason they did this to you.

If there are any questions it is better to get answers from them. than here.
 
vontresc said:
Are you gonna get a bill from Trasport Canada for ATC services? Or do you only get billed when you actually land in Canada?

Pete
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A light non-commercial aircraft will not be charged an ATC quarterly service fee by NavCanada if you do not take off or land in Canada.

Jon
 
Handguns are prohibited in Canada. Land with one of those and it'll be taken away.
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Is someone with a carry permit allowed to carry a loaded handgun on his or her plane anyway?
 
Thanks for all the advice, I appreciate it. So, what I should do is:
Bring my passport
Have a squawk code
No firearm

Dan, I'll be flying direct, so over the lakes.

Jerone
 
NC19143 said:
That is not true..I carry a shot gun in canada any day I like, It costs 25 american for a 60 day premit.
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Tom, that does not work on the Eastern side of Canada. If it isn't hunting season you need proof that you're heading off to the Arctic or equivalent. Don't ask me how you prove that, I haven't tried. But I know several people whose guns have been impounded at the border off-season. Pick them back up on your way home to the States.

Regards,
Joe
 
This was in today's ePilot newsletter. I thought it might be of benefit.:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Question: [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]I am planning a flight to northern Michigan, where I will briefly cross into Canadian airspace but will not be landing in Canada. What is required of me?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Answer: [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]U.S. and Canadian customs permit aircraft to overfly the respective countries and return to the original country of departure without reporting to customs. Overflights that originate and end in the United States require that the pilot file and activate a VFR or IFR flight plan. Pilots should write "Canadian overflight—no landing" in the remarks section of the flight plan. A Mode A and C transponder is currently required by the U.S. government to cross the U.S. border in either direction, inbound or outbound. You must also be in communication with a U.S. ATC agency before crossing the border. Sport pilots are not allowed to conduct this type of overflight operation without prior authorization because the certificate does not meet ICAO and Canadian rules. Interested in more information on international operations? Visit our International Flying section online.[/FONT]
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I really wish I'd have done due diligence and looked this up before going to Osh. I'd have saved myself a few miles going direct from the Philly area (Wings, KLOM). Great info though for next year. I did skirt along the Canadian Border and boy is it gorgeous up yonder way!

Thanks for the great info!
 
Joe B said:
You won't be allowed to bring a rifle or shotgun into Canada unless it's hunting season ...... Handguns are prohibited in Canada. Land with one of those and it'll be taken away.
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Not according to the gun application posted above. Read it. Handguns ARE allowed as long as they are:
1: Not .25 or .32 cal.
2: Barrel Length at least 4.11 inches or more
3: Not fully automatic

Also, there is no statement about hunting season, or loaded weapon that I saw.
 
sheldon957 said:
Not according to the gun application posted above. Read it. Handguns ARE allowed as long as they are:
1: Not .25 or .32 cal.
2: Barrel Length at least 4.11 inches or more
3: Not fully automatic

Also, there is no statement about hunting season, or loaded weapon that I saw.
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But, since all handguns are either restricted (the description you posted) or prohibited (any other handgun). you must have an ATT:
If you are declaring a restricted firearm, please print the number of
your Authorization to Transport (ATT) and its expiration date. To find out how
to apply for an ATT, call the Canada Firearms Centre at 1 800 731-4000 in
Canada and the USA, (506) 624-5380 outside Canada and the USA, or visit
our web site at: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca before you come to Canada.
Note: You cannot enter Canada with a restricted firearm without
an ATT.
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gprellwitz said:
But, since all handguns are either restricted (the description you posted) or prohibited (any other handgun). you must have an ATT:
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You are of course correct, but I was answering the several blanket flat out statements above that said NO handguns, etc...

There is a hoop to jump through as you pointed out, but with ATT in hand......
 
"If you are a non-resident and authorized to carry one in your own country you can apply to bring one in for an approved purpose" I still don't believe you can just apply to carry.
 
Just doing some planning for Osh and thought I'd stick this on here in the event anyone was curious about eAPIS and operations within the Canadian theater.

This was from the AOPA site:

About eAPIS

All pilots flying across the U.S. border are required to use eAPIS — CBP’s Electronic Advance Passenger Information System. AOPA Air Safety Foundation has developed a free online tutorial: “Understanding eAPIS - A Pilot’s Guide to Online Customs Reporting.”

Exception: If you overfly Canada without landing, eAPIS is not required.
 
An amusing story I have related before... Friend of mine, Art by name... Tripacer with 3 other guys (they told me the story) overflying Canada when they got smoke in the cabin... Made a hurried emergency landing at the nearest airport and bailed out of the plane... They are standing there and waiting for the plane, now buried in a cloud of smoke, to burst into flames... Up roars an official car, lights, siren, the whole bit and this little guy in a fancy uniform jumps out and is frantically dancing around and tries shoving them towards the plane, whilst shouting in french... They get the message he is ordering them back in the plane - they aren't going - meanwhile he is just dancing around them in circles... Finally Art grabs the guy by his lapels and lifts him till his toes are barely touching the ground and bellows into his face, "It's on fire you stupid sheet"...
By now the fire engine was there and a herd of people... The little guy's boss shows up and shoo's him away... Turned out the oil line cracked and was spraying oil onto an exhaust pipe... No fire, and the line was replaced and they were on their way in a couple of hours... Said they were treated well even though they had no passports, etc... (pre 9/11 days)

Probably different today... In my recent crossings, the Canadian customs have been sweethearts, always a smile, and "have a good day, eh"... It is my country that the customs officers are - well you get the picture...

denny-o
 
About 5-6 years ago, I flew from Chicago to Niagara Falls (landed on the US side), and entered Canada just NorthEast of Detroit.

Although it was a beautiful day, I filed IFR, and then picked up my clearance about 20 miles from the border.

That was it - pretty simple. Although I was IFR the entire time through Canada - I never received a bill for ATC usage.

-Nathan





P-BaronDriver said:
I've got a trip planned from MN to Mass., overflying Ontario. Do I have to do anything other than file an IFR plight plan to overfly Ontario?? Thanks.
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Well this looks pretty easy if you don't have a gun. :)

Probably gonna overfly on the way home from Wings...
 
EdFred said:
You don't need one in Canada. You don't need one in the U.S., but you need one to take off in one country and land in the other. Since you aren't landing in Canada - no.
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I actually spoke with NavCanada a few weeks back about this very issue. I was looking into overflying the toronto area.

you need to be on a flight plan VFR or IFR, you DO need an FCC license and they are going to charge you a user fee (they charge the person listed as the owner of the plane), for a 172 they charge $17 (canadian)
 
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