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Some Jack A__ Must have been doing some painting at the airport in one of the joining hangers now My Cherokee six is covered with over spray.

Any Ideas how to get it off. Paint and Windows.

Also I was thinking of buying some sheets to cover the plane in the hanger. What do you think?
 
dogman said:
Some Jack A__ Must have been doing some painting at the airport in one of the joining hangers now My Cherokee six is covered with over spray.

Any Ideas how to get it off. Paint and Windows.

Also I was thinking of buying some sheets to cover the plane in the hanger. What do you think?
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The same thing happened to me several years ago. I gave the idiot a choice, clean it off or pay someone to have it cleaned off to the tune of about $500. He and some of his friends did clean it off and I have to admit, they did a pretty good job. If you can't get the idiot to do it or if you don't trust the idiot, you might want to call some one like Wing Waxers. In any case try to get the idiot to pick up the cost.

Jeannie
 
I have not found who it was yet but when I do he will either pay out of his pocket or his hide!!

I never thought about wing waxers.

Thanks
 
dogman said:
I have not found who it was yet but when I do he will either pay out of his pocket or his hide!!

I never thought about wing waxers.

Thanks
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Methyl Ethyl Ketone. But be careful, in enough quantity and with enough rubbing, it'll take the underlying paint off. I'd try mechanical removal on the plexiglass.

Before you start, document the overspray with a lot of photos. This fool sounds stupid enough (probably an illegal paint job, too) to try to short cut anything and everything....I'd do it carefully myself and send him the bill for supplies. Even put a lien on his aircraft if necessary. I'm not kidding.

At our place one guy did that in a subdivided 10 plex T hangar, and overprayed a Cessna 414, M20J and a V35. He has more delco-remy parts in his hawk that the NAPA store, and uses the shade tree guy. The other three owners did not get satisfaction, but the guy with the "done at midnight" paint job has been evicted from the hangar by the airport authority and eveytime the guy tries to fly he has a flat tire, a this or a that. One time his tanks were empty. You've gotta wonder if.......NAH.
 
Find a autobody paint and supply store, where your local body shops get their supplies, they will have a clay substance the removes the over spray very easily.

first wash the aircraft with a mild detergent, then use the clay to remove the stuborn overspray.
 
bbchien said:
Methyl Ethyl Ketone. But be careful, in enough quantity and with enough rubbing, it'll take the underlying paint off. I'd try mechanical removal on the plexiglass.
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Also be very careful handling MEK or breathing the fumes. They don't call this stuff liquid brain cancer for nothing. Wear proper gloves and a respirator... a forced air one if possible. The little paper masks are worthless if you're using chemicals like MEK.

The idiot who sprayed in the hangar should stand liable. We had an incident like that a few years ago. It shouldn't be hard to find the culprit. The airport commission/manager can help if they're so inclined. Gain access to the hangars and look for evidence - over spray on the floor and walls, fresh paint on the airplane (or car or whatever was being painted). If the guy won't stand up then the airport commission might need to be reminded of any airport use rules prohibiting painting. If it comes down to just making life unbearable for him, there's always the fire department, the city code enforcement agency, and the EPA (no telling how the waste was disposed of). Obviously there are other ways to show him he's unwanted at the airport and some of them have been covered in other posts.

What this guy (gal?) did is unthinkable. Anyone who's ever sprayed knows that a hangar won't hold the over spray. I'd get everyone who has over spray on their stuff (not just airplanes - cars, equipment, tools, anything that was in the hangar at the time) and have a sit down with the guy. No doubt with the money he saved on a do-it-yourself paint job he can afford to clean up his mess.
 
Claybar will do the trick. Wash the plane by hand first with a mild detergent. Get the claybar kit that comes with a spray bottle and a bar of clay. The spray is a lubricant, usually just soap and water. The claybar you knead into a handy shape and slowly slide it over the surface of the plane, using plenty of lubricating spray.

Do NOT drop the clay bar. If you do, toss it in the trash immediately.

It will get the overspray off, including the windows.

Using a claybar is not hard, but it is very time consuming.
 
bbchien said:
Methyl Ethyl Ketone. But be careful, in enough quantity and with enough rubbing, it'll take the underlying paint off. I'd try mechanical removal on the plexiglass.

Before you start, document the overspray with a lot of photos. This fool sounds stupid enough (probably an illegal paint job, too) to try to short cut anything and everything....I'd do it carefully myself and send him the bill for supplies. Even put a lien on his aircraft if necessary. I'm not kidding.

At our place one guy did that in a subdivided 10 plex T hangar, and overprayed a Cessna 414, M20J and a V35. He has more delco-remy parts in his hawk that the NAPA store, and uses the shade tree guy. The other three owners did not get satisfaction, but the guy with the "done at midnight" paint job has been evicted from the hangar by the airport authority and eveytime the guy tries to fly he has a flat tire, a this or a that. One time his tanks were empty. You've gotta wonder if.......NAH.
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I suggest before you handle MEK you seek out someone who has. At least get the MSDS on the stuff. Fire depts hate MEK...for very good reason. For the lay person I would suggest a substitute cleaner.
 
Have meeting with the manager tommorrow morning we are going to go look at hangers find out who it was.

Would Laquer thinner be to harmfull to the paint? Imron.
I used MEK while preping the 172 for paint after stripping. Wicked Stuff.

Will any of the Plastic polishes work on the windows or would the clay be better? Windows 18 months old

I will have to find the clay kit on monday there is no place open Sunday that carries it. I may try Laquer thinner on a small spot see what happens.

Thanks for all the direction in this.

What do think about coveing with sheets?
 
Burn two holes in the sheets that match your eye spacing, and you and a couple friends go treat this dummy to lesson in responsibility.
 
dogman said:
Would Laquer thinner be to harmfull to the paint? Imron.
I used MEK while preping the 172 for paint after stripping. Wicked Stuff.
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Lacquer thinner will not hurt polyurathane paint (Imron) or enamel paint. Unfortunately, lacquer thinner doesn't hurt those because it isn't a good solvent for them, which means lacquer thinner not remove polyurathane based (Imron) or enamel based paint, which is probably what the neighbor used, which means it will not remove the overspray.

I would not use MEK on a paint finish I liked. While it usually will not hit a polyurathane paint finish that was fully catalyzed (cross-linked) it can be absolutely destruction on any "as sprayed" finish. You never know what areas of your aircraft paint job were re-touched without catalyst, failed to catalyze properly, etc.

IIRC, and I would expect it to be true, MEK is instant death for aircraft windows.
 
Sorry about your trouble, hope you get satisfaction.

On your other question, I always throw a sheet over the fuselage to keep the dust and grit off the plexi. Our t-hanger walls don't go all the way to the roof, so there is lots of dirt blown around.
 
As a caution NOTE MEK is very strong and will melt the plastic.



As referenced in AC 43.13-b paragraph 3-25(a):

Clean the plastic by washing it with plenty of water and mild soap, using a clean, soft, grit-free cloth, sponge, or bare hands. Do not use gasoline, alcohol, benzene, acetone, carbon tetrachloride, fire extinguisher or deicing fluids, lacquer thinners, or window cleaning sprays. These will soften the plastic and cause crazing.



Also AC 43.13-b paragraph 43-40(e):

Cleaning. Acrylic windshields and windows may be cleaned by washing them with mild soap and running water. Rub the surface with your bare hands in a stream of water. Follow with the same procedure but with soap and water. After the soap and dirt have been flushed away, dry the surface with a soft, clean cloth or tissue and polish it with a windshield cleaner especially approved for use on aircraft transparent plastics. These cleaners may be purchased through aircraft supply houses.



Having said all that I would make sure the person or person responsible know they have damaged you glass and premature crazing may or will happen. Put them on notice of the damage and make sure to have a A&P make a logbook entry as to the above procedure you used or the maintenance manual. This will become a legal document if you glass is destroyed in the cleaning process.



Just one A&P/IA opinion.

Stache
 
My family and I took the afternoon and evening yesterday and cleaned on the Six. I found the clay bar Kit and it worked wonderful. I even used it on the wind screen It worked GREAT. I bought a Med grade and a fine for the windows. I am so happy to have that nice shiny paint back. It took 5 of us 5 hours to get it. We will go over it again the next couple of days.

If you remeber I just bought this bird. I was SOOO ****SSSSSSSSED when this happened. It's such a nice plane and we are so proud of it, I guess it is good we have not found who the painter is yet. If I would have found who it was I know I would have felt like smacking them around and I would of probably be in pockey. I have settle d down now and can handle this in a more controlled manner.

Have not had any luck finding who did it. Our airport manager is real bone head not a very good manager or instructor hell he sucks at both to be more honest.

He had no idea how to contact the hanger occupants or had know way to get in most. OH Well.
 
dogman said:
My family and I took the afternoon and evening yesterday and cleaned on the Six. I found the clay bar Kit and it worked wonderful. I even used it on the wind screen It worked GREAT. I bought a Med grade and a fine for the windows. I am so happy to have that nice shiny paint back. It took 5 of us 5 hours to get it. We will go over it again the next couple of days.

If you remeber I just bought this bird. I was SOOO ****SSSSSSSSED when this happened. It's such a nice plane and we are so proud of it, I guess it is good we have not found who the painter is yet. If I would have found who it was I know I would have felt like smacking them around and I would of probably be in pockey. I have settle d down now and can handle this in a more controlled manner.

Have not had any luck finding who did it. Our airport manager is real bone head not a very good manager or instructor hell he sucks at both to be more honest.

He had no idea how to contact the hanger occupants or had know way to get in most. OH Well.
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I'm glad you got it off OK.
 
NC19143 said:
I'm glad you got it off OK.
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Me too. I'd be p*ssed, but I'd rather get financial compensation for the "perp" than any "physical" retribution. Just ain't worth it. Plus you might get hurt. :)
 
Just a guess but it would seem that the knucklehead is in one of the adjoining hangars , either next to you or behind you. Would this be right? If so can you get a ladder to peer into the neighboring hangars from inside yours, This may work if the walls don't go to the ceiling.

I'm glad you got the plane cleaned. In most cases your time is not compensble but materials are, depends upon where you live. I was going to say if your insurance would cover it they may also hire an investigator to trackdown the bone head and subrogate their payment. Luckily however it doesn't seem as though you will need to file a claim. Be patient sit and wait they have to open their hanger sometime.
 
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