Old symbols on sectional (1963)

1959 Seattle sectional:

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Eric Stoltz said:
Huh! Auburn was private! Wonder what the hangar rent was. Don't ask what it is now.
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Another Auburn airport, not the current one (S50). This one was on the east hill on the south side of the White River, where the Muckleshoot casino is, now.

Current one is roughly between the Auburn and Kent airports shown above.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Actually, if you asked nicely, the government would send you the charts for free. I had a couple when I was a kid that they sent me in the mail just for the asking.
 
luvflyin said:
Address, phone number, link? How do you ask?
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I just wrote them. I think they were in Riverdale MD or something similar at the time. This was back in the 1960's.
 
There was a special DC Terminal Area chart for the prelims to the 1996 Olympics (some of the soccer prelims were held at RFK and Byrd Stadium). I threw this in the face of the FAA during the early days of the post-911 airspace when they said there was no precedent to chart temporary airspace. Looks like Pilawt even found an earlier exception!
 
Pilawt said:
From 35 years ago ...

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Is there a Legend for that Chart? What I’m trying to make sense of is the Core of of the Magenta depicted airspace around BUR having a floor of 2300. @aterpster , weigh in here. Is that an ARSA? I thought that BUR was one of the original ARSA’s. Or were they depicting TRSA’s in Magenta also back then? And when did it get cleaned up and ‘rounded’ out like it looks today. When ARSA’s got renamed Class C? or did they do it sometime before that?
 
POTUS Prohibited Area, 1969 style:

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This was for President Nixon's San Clemente "Western White House". R-2503 and R-2533 were for the nearby Camp Pendleton Marine Base, and were there pre-Nixon. R-2533 only went up to 2,000'.

I was trying to recall the dimensions of the Prohibited Area over President Reagan's ranch northwest of Santa Barbara. The Gaviota (GVO) VORTAC was, and still is, located on the 668-acre ranch property. A landing pad was cleared for Marine One on the hill right next to the VORTAC, and it was a quick Jeep ride down the dirt road to the ranch house. Anybody remember how big the P-area was, and how high it went?
 
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luvflyin said:
Is there a Legend for that Chart?
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What I’m trying to make sense of is the Core of of the Magenta depicted airspace around BUR having a floor of 2300. @aterpster , weigh in here. Is that an ARSA? I thought that BUR was one of the original ARSA’s. Or were they depicting TRSA’s in Magenta also back then?
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It was a TRSA (see the box at the very top of the chart scan in Post #16). TRSAs were shown in magenta, same as today's Class C.

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Pilawt said:
POTUS Prohibited Area, 1969 style:

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This was for President Nixon's San Clemente "Western White House". R-2503 and R-2533 were for the nearby Camp Pendleton Marine Base, and were there pre-Nixon. R-2533 only went up to 2,000'.

I was trying to recall the dimensions of the Prohibited Area over President Reagan's ranch northwest of Santa Barbara. The Gaviota (GVO) VORTAC was, and still is, located on the 668-acre ranch property. A landing pad was cleared for Marine One on the hill right next to the VORTAC, and it was a quick Jeep ride down the dirt road to the ranch house. Anybody remember how big the P-area was, and how high it went?
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I should, but I don’t. I know it was low and small enough to have no impact on IFR traffic.
 
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It was a TRSA (see the box at the very top of the chart scan in Post #16). TRSAs were shown in magenta, same as today's Class C.

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Ah. I’m guessing the BUR C was not just a name change from ARSA to C then and was established when Alphabet Soup airspace started. I like the note that Stage III not provided below 2300 within 2 miles. It’s like “are you crazy, you don’t expect us to actually separate you that close to the airport do you.”
 
Sure glad I don't have to dress that way today. What's sad is that the light gun pretty much stayed the same until about 15 years ago.
 
I wonder if there would be a way to digitize these old sectionals and then be able to go back in time (a la Google Earth). That would be cool.
 
A lot of old sectionals and strip charts are available online via the Library of Congress database and website. Seems to be stuff prior to 1970, and only through sectionals who's names start with A-P (they have been adding more as time goes on). Some are fascinating, and the ones older than the mid-60's have AN ranges depicted.
 
I was talking to Potomac Approach one day.

PCT: Are you guys having a hard time finding <some location>
CESSNA: No we're just taking pictures of our house.
PCT: Oh, I thought you were flying a triangular pattern for radio failure.
ME: You're dating yourself.
PCT: I guess I am.
ME: I could never remember if it was clockwise for no radios at all or for no transmitter.

(And I do have a sign that says "THANK YOU" for when I'm taxiing around at Oshkosh. It's in with my collection of other ones like "MVFR" and "YOU LOOK GOOD IN PINK."
 
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