No TSA Checkpoints at more than 2500 GA Airports! Annd here we go

"Carlson...socialized with Hollywood’s A-list. He claimed to have once befriended neighbor and legendary actor Dick Van Dyke."

I had to laugh at these consecutive statements. The author of this article apparently hasn't checked the membership of Hollywood's A-list since 1964. :biggrin:
 
kayoh190 said:
Rich elite? You guys have been holding out on me!
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Bob Noel said:
easier in the sense that no intelligence is required.

Monumentally wasteful.
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Easier in the sense that it removes judgement from the equation (e.g. it's easier to administer when you do the same thing to everyone). This is a common trait of the Washington bureaucracy - we don't have to evaluate the situation, we just apply the more stringent rule to everyone. Most government agencies do the same, including the FAA and FCC.

By eliminating judgement, you also eliminate the possible claim of "you selected me because I was brown/black/speaking a foreign language/etc.

The side benefit to "we treat everyone the same" is that you don't need to evaluate or train the employees to a higher standard.
 
TommyG said:
TSA wouldn’t be able to find a brick of coke if it hit them in the face, just like they miss guns and other weapons everyday at major airports.
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For what its worth, I believe the courts have found that TSA has no legal mandate to search for drugs. If I remember right, they were quickly turning into the mini-DEA, since there aren't that many terrorists to search, and the courts ruled they had no authority. I think the issue came to light when the TSA employed drug sniffing dogs.

Only real guidance I could find https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/medical-marijuana Looks like all they can do is turn you over to the local authorities.
 
Bob Noel said:
I watched as a 2 year old child had to remove her shoes at a TSA checkpoint. The look on her face was distressing (as if she was asking why are they taking my shoes?)

But, TSA saved us from that dangerous toddler.
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They hassled the $&@? Out of my daughter (10 or so at the time). He asked where she was going. She replied (excited) “Disneyland!” He starts quizzing her about why her ticket says Ontario (CA)...like she knows. I was behind her and finally intervened. “Because LAX is a hell-hole and we’d rather drive from Ontario to Anaheim.” He let us proceed. Gee, I sure felt safer...
 
WannFly said:
Lesson learned. Be nice to anyone who can turn out to be an informant
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My father is a retired Federal Special Agent who spent most of his life busting smuggling operations of all kinds of things into the US. I use to think it was due to crack NCIS type TV cop amazing investigative work...nope...almost all of their busts and leads were just from informants that someone along the way in the chain pizzed off. That constituted like 95% of the US smuggling busts, the other 5% was just dumb luck.

They now laugh at the TSA
 
danhagan said:
True, but it makes sheeple feel better that TSA is "on the line":confused:

Unless you're willing to screen by profiling like Israel ... good luck ...
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Having been in and out of Tel Aviv a couple times in the previous decade I found the Israelis to be quite reasonable. Just answer the questions, even if a number of people ask the same ones, and no problems. You are advised to arrive 3 hours before flight time, rather than the 2 in the US. Both times I didn't need the extra time, but there's always that one time...

Now, please don't get me started about TSA. They are a joke.
 
wsuffa said:
I'm not sure the TSA is capable of doing that as it's now configured. ANd there's not enough money or time to do it the way Israel does.

It's far easier - and avoids some blowback - for the TSA to just screen everyone. Administrative convenience and all that.
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For certain type of people just take it out of their hands. A lot of people on this site fit the same-ish profile as me. Retired military, US Citizen, Trusted Traveler Card and Global entry card and in addition I have an active TS/SCI clearance (and have since 1988) . Pretty much zero threat. When I buy my ticket those checks are done. Mark my ticket and when it's scanned when I present my ID prior to the security line "right this way sir" and bypass the rest of the checks. Don't even let the checkpoint staff get involved.
 
midwestpa24 said:
For what its worth, I believe the courts have found that TSA has no legal mandate to search for drugs. If I remember right, they were quickly turning into the mini-DEA, since there aren't that many terrorists to search, and the courts ruled they had no authority. I think the issue came to light when the TSA employed drug sniffing dogs.

Only real guidance I could find https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/medical-marijuana Looks like all they can do is turn you over to the local authorities.
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they have zero law enforcement authority. If they find something all they can do is call local or federal law enforcement. Especially being the average TSA screener has about 2 weeks training to read an x-ray.
 
jsstevens said:
"The AOPA is the NRA of aviation".
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Just without any of the money or influence. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Jeff Oslick said:
Anyone who is surprised by negative reporting on GA by USA Today is new to this. They've played this same line for at least 20 years. I suspect there is an editor there who tried to become pilot but couldn't hack it and carries the bitterness through their life.
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It's usually the same author too. Thomas Frank.

In fact, he did an entire series that appears to have been released on the same day in 2014, and is completely full of crap...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/17/small-plane-crashes-investigation/10717427/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...aft-carnage-unfit-for-flight-part-1/10405323/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/12/unfit-for-flight-part-2/10405451/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/14/unfit-for-flight-part-3/10533813/

Then ran an opinion piece emphasizing that crap a couple weeks later:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...unfit-for-flight-editorials-debates/12118519/

...Before running a piece in 2018 suggesting that private pilots be allowed to use flight-sharing apps and act as "Uber drivers of the sky." Yikes.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ring-flytenow-uber-mike-lee-column/569753002/

USA Today has no clue when it comes to aviation... Or probably anything else.

DaleB said:
@denverpilot - Yahoo has joined Bell & Howell on the ash heap of defunct brand names being used to sell cheap crap.
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You can still buy Bell & Howell branded equipment?!? I didn't know microfilm was still a thing. (OK, their web site shows flashlights, humidifiers, and animal repellers. How the mighty have fallen.)

I bet @SCCutler could tell a story or three.

wsuffa said:
I'm not sure the TSA is capable of doing that as it's now configured. ANd there's not enough money or time to do it the way Israel does.

It's far easier - and avoids some blowback - for the TSA to just screen everyone. Administrative convenience and all that.
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Not to mention that they have to keep up the security theater illusion.
 
Does anyone actually read Yahoo news? I don't think I've ever read Yahoo anything.
 
Bob Noel said:
I though AOPA had oodles of cash.
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Well, there's oodles (which AOPA has by my standards) and then there's oodles by national campaign contribution standards (which AOPA may not have) and then there's voter influence (which AOPA definitely does NOT have by national campaign standards).
 
flyingcheesehead said:
You can still buy Bell & Howell branded equipment?!? I didn't know microfilm was still a thing. (OK, their web site shows flashlights, humidifiers, and animal repellers. How the mighty have fallen.)
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You can buy cheap crap upon which someone has slapped the Bell & Howell name, which was acquired at a post-bankruptcy fire sale. Just like I have seen other once-common brand names bought from bankrupt enterprises pasted onto various bits of junk in an attempt to give it a more legitimate appearance.

Like, for example, Yahoo.
 
Bob Noel said:
I watched as a 2 year old child had to remove her shoes at a TSA checkpoint. The look on her face was distressing (as if she was asking why are they taking my shoes?)

But, TSA saved us from that dangerous toddler.
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I've traveled for years with my kiddos when they were young, they never had to take their shoes off.... Weird.
 
steingar said:
Lots of publications exist. Doesn't mean anyone is reading them. I submit my doctoral thesis as exhibit A.
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If you could find the right advertisers to promote it... :)
 
You have to take your shoes off because of Richard Reid, the infamous shoe bomber. But I saw his "shoes" on display in a museum. They were massive boots the size of huge bricks with huge planks for soles. It's so stupid that we still have to take off normal everyday shoes. I mean, look at these things. They are more than a foot long. This picture hardly does it justice, but you can get a sense of how massive they were.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Richard_Reid_explosive_shoe.jpg
 
PPC1052 said:
You have to take your shoes off because of Richard Reid, the infamous shoe bomber.
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some might blame richard reid, but the primary blames lies at the feet (no pun, seriously, no pun) of the idiots promulgating the security theater. The people who accept this nonsense also share some responsibility.
 
Bob Noel said:
some might blame richard reid, but the primary blames lies at the feet (no pun, seriously, no pun) of the idiots promulgating the security theater. The people who accept this nonsense also share some responsibility.
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Yep. That's my point.
 
PPC1052 said:
You have to take your shoes off because of Richard Reid, the infamous shoe bomber.
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Hmm ... then next should be we have to remove our underwear because of the underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab:eek::confused::confused::confused::confused:

TSA is opening up to a LOT of skid marks!o_O

 
When did the general public start supporting the TSA?

Reads like advertisement for GA.
 
What exactly would a TSA checkpoint do at my small GA airport, anyway? Make me take off my shoes before I can go out to my rental plane? Take away my son's pocketknife? Make my wife get rid of her Pepsi?

"Journalists" study journalism, not the subjects about which they write. Therefore almost everything you read in the news is uninformed crap. And this article is a perfect example.
 
Half Fast said:
What exactly would a TSA checkpoint do at my small GA airport, anyway? Make me take off my shoes before I can go out to my rental plane? Take away my son's pocketknife? Make my wife get rid of her Pepsi?
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On my wife's first trip in GA with me I printed the TSA prohibited items list. "see this list Hon? - Pack it all, and if you think you're bringing a small shampoo you're wrong" :D
 
The funniest **** I’ve ever seen was watching the TSA search and pat down rampers entering the terminal from the RAMP!!!

After several months of watching this I finally walked over and asked why do this useless search. Their reply was that they’re entering the sterile area and they’re required to be searched like passengers. I pointed out that they’re walking in from the RAMP after working there shifts LOADING AIRCRAFT...
 
DrewG said:
"Carlson...socialized with Hollywood’s A-list. He claimed to have once befriended neighbor and legendary actor Dick Van Dyke."

I had to laugh at these consecutive statements. The author of this article apparently hasn't checked the membership of Hollywood's A-list since 1964. :biggrin:
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Although, I have to say, Dick Van Dyke had about 10 times the talent compared to the vast majority of today's quote-unquote A-listers. Just sayin'....
 
MuseChaser said:
Although, I have to say, Dick Van Dyke had about 10 times the talent compared to the vast majority of today's quote-unquote A-listers. Just sayin'....
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and he didn't have to resort to being a potty mouth in an attempt to get attention
 
ARFlyer said:
The funniest **** I’ve ever seen was watching the TSA search and pat down rampers entering the terminal from the RAMP!!!

After several months of watching this I finally walked over and asked why do this useless search. Their reply was that they’re entering the sterile area and they’re required to be searched like passengers. I pointed out that they’re walking in from the RAMP after working there shifts LOADING AIRCRAFT...
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In all fairness, there are things allowed on the ramp that aren't allowed for passengers in the sterile area. That being said, just more security theater. Employees used to be ignored by TSA, until someone abused their credentials to bypass security.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Just without any of the money or influence. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



It's usually the same author too. Thomas Frank.

In fact, he did an entire series that appears to have been released on the same day in 2014, and is completely full of crap...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/17/small-plane-crashes-investigation/10717427/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...aft-carnage-unfit-for-flight-part-1/10405323/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/12/unfit-for-flight-part-2/10405451/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/14/unfit-for-flight-part-3/10533813/

Then ran an opinion piece emphasizing that crap a couple weeks later:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...unfit-for-flight-editorials-debates/12118519/

...Before running a piece in 2018 suggesting that private pilots be allowed to use flight-sharing apps and act as "Uber drivers of the sky." Yikes.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ring-flytenow-uber-mike-lee-column/569753002/

USA Today has no clue when it comes to aviation... Or probably anything else.



You can still buy Bell & Howell branded equipment?!? I didn't know microfilm was still a thing. (OK, their web site shows flashlights, humidifiers, and animal repellers. How the mighty have fallen.)

I bet @SCCutler could tell a story or three.



Not to mention that they have to keep up the security theater illusion.
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Don’t forget this fine B&H offering. I know when I want to deploy in a tactical situation, I want some iridium glasses to make a good target, lol...

 
ARFlyer said:
The funniest **** I’ve ever seen was watching the TSA search and pat down rampers entering the terminal from the RAMP!!!

After several months of watching this I finally walked over and asked why do this useless search. Their reply was that they’re entering the sterile area and they’re required to be searched like passengers. I pointed out that they’re walking in from the RAMP after working there shifts LOADING AIRCRAFT...
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Your expectations are set at a 5/10, you will have better luck at a 1/10 setting with the TSA
 
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