No Meigs in Cincinnati — Blue Ash Airport saved!

This is good news. I am glad they saved these airports. Kudos to AOPA and all the volunteer that made it happen. But I guess it also help to not have a dictatorial mayor hell bent on destroying the airport no matter what the law nor the people want.
 
I have the impression that AOPA is a lot more proactive about this kind of thing after Meigs.
 
tonycondon said:
I have the impression that AOPA is a lot more proactive about this kind of thing after Meigs.

I wouldn't really say that... Remember how hard they worked on Meigs, and Meigs got to the same stage Blue Ash is in right now: It was "saved" but there was some legislative work to do to make it final. Da Mare tore it up after it was "saved."

It just seems that they trumpet their victories a lot louder now.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I wouldn't really say that... Remember how hard they worked on Meigs, and Meigs got to the same stage Blue Ash is in right now: It was "saved" but there was some legislative work to do to make it final. Da Mare tore it up after it was "saved."

I still can't read about that without having the urge to fly to Chicago, buzz Daley's house at all hours of the night, then land, go to his house, ring the doorbell, and punch him repeatedly when he answers.

And yes, that entire thing is the urge I get when reading about Meigs. It's even worse when I start up Flight Simulator.
 
Politically, this was not really similar to Meigs. Cincinnati's mayor didn't really care either way whether the land stayed as an airport or not, he just wanted rid of a chunk of land he didn't think was providing enough of a return to the city. Remember, the airport itself didn't provide direct benefit to Cincinnati since it is well outside the city itself. It does, however, provide a great benefit to the city of Blue Ash, which as I understand it pretty much made clear they wouldn't approve zoning for use as anything other than an airport.

This strikes me as fine work by both parties. Cincinnati gets to sell a chunk of land and make some money, and the City of Blue Ash gets to keep it's airport and gains a pretty cool park in the deal, which they could have used when I lived there.

In any case, I'm pleased as punch by this development. Blue Ash Airport is a place I spent a huge chunk of my teen years at drooling over planes and in general being an airport bum.
 
Deals done, it's in writing and legal

Hangars to be torn down Aug 1 2012, no room to build new on remaining airport land.

Thanks for nothing AOPA, we are planning our move already
 
Politically, this was not really similar to Meigs. Cincinnati's mayor didn't really care either way whether the land stayed as an airport or not, he just wanted rid of a chunk of land he didn't think was providing enough of a return to the city.

Necro quote, Malory has always said he wanted Cincinnati out of the airport buisness.
 
Oh, and an interesting error in the artical in post 1

Blue ash only payed 18Mil payable over 30 years with interest.
 
Well that's just sad news. That was such a neat airport when I visited.
 
Still is, but in a real reading of the sales contract the intent becomes clear,

Cincinnati shall APPLY for FAA funds (not accept, or even offer a viable plan)

Cincinnati has the option to close the airport if they decide it isn't viable.

There have been several reconfiguration plans on the books for a while as part of the airport master plan. The FAA approved all but one, the one selected (after the FAA rejection) to be the proposed plan.

Cincinnati is also trying to get the FAA to let them spend the funds on non aviation items. We all know the FAA won't agree to that, as I'm sure Cincinnati does too.


Sounds more and more like Meigs minus the middle of the night bulldozers (so far, such is the Blue Ash city MO) doesn't it?
 
Let me make sure I understand....AOPA stepped in and negotiated with the city in 2006 to keep the airport open and to fun improvements.

6 years later, we find that AOPA did not follow up at all with the city, and now the city has reneged on their offer, and the airport is going to shut down??

What are we paying AOPA for again?
 
Really too bad. I trained out of there (PP and IR) at what was then Schmidt Aviation, now Blue Ash Aviation. Great little airport. Very convenient to Cincy, less expensive than Lunken, even has a hotel literally across the street from the FBOs.

I moved to HAO after I bought my plane as there were no T-hangars at ISZ, but it's still my favorite place to fly-in if I need to visit Cincy.

Very disheartening news. And really no surprise given what some friends have told me about the way Cincy city council is these days. :(
 
Let me make sure I understand....AOPA stepped in and negotiated with the city in 2006 to keep the airport open and to fun improvements.

6 years later, we find that AOPA did not follow up at all with the city, and now the city has reneged on their offer, and the airport is going to shut down??

What are we paying AOPA for again?

Nope, AOPA stepped up and endorced the deal that would all but REQUIRE Cincinnati to close the airport that was already in place.

The city reneged on nothing, they have met the requirements of the contract.

And thus I am not an AOPA member any longer, and have not been for some time now.
 
Really too bad. I trained out of there (PP and IR) at what was then Schmidt Aviation, now Blue Ash Aviation. Great little airport. Very convenient to Cincy, less expensive than Lunken, even has a hotel literally across the street from the FBOs.

I moved to HAO after I bought my plane as there were no T-hangars at ISZ, but it's still my favorite place to fly-in if I need to visit Cincy.

Very disheartening news. And really no surprise given what some friends have told me about the way Cincy city council is these days. :(

I'll tell you where we move to,

I'm guessing you remember the chicken hawk?
 
I'll tell you where we move to,

I'm guessing you remember the chicken hawk?

I soloed in the Chickenhawk.

Got a comment from Muncie tower one time about "what a nice paint job" while hearing laughter in the background. 73891, IIRC. I also had time in 75528, and '3LK (even through it never really flew straight). '891 and '528 were my favorite trainers; the 172RG and the 182 were probably my favorite planes to fly.

I'd have to dig out my old logbook to find the tail numbers.

Kept my Commander there for about 1 month after I bought it until a hangar opened at HAO.
 
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Lemme Kill ya is gone, and before my time, story is some one hit a Buick with it:hairraise:

I helped finally paint the chicken hawk (yep 891) a few years back, now N31SZ. I once filed a flight plan in that plane as ugly on white. She's up to 15,700 hrs now.

Phil kept his 182, it's still down the ramp.
Victor is now in WV, a former student bought it after the Arrow we started using over took it in popularity.
 
Lemme Kill ya is gone, and before my time, story is some one hit a Buick with it:hairraise:

I helped finally paint the chicken hawk (yep 891) a few years back, now N31SZ. I once filed a flight plan in that plane as ugly on white. She's up to 15,700 hrs now.

Phil kept his 182, it's still down the ramp.
Victor is now in WV, a former student bought it after the Arrow we started using over took it in popularity.

Whatever happened to '528?

Tom Haber was my instructor.
 
Whatever happened to '528?

Tom Haber was my instructor.

REALLY, mine too. Small world.

528 had the bolt (or nut, both not found with the plane) on the throttle cable fail with a student soloing. Throttle went full and he shut it down, but didn't turn in. He caught the wires short of 6 and folded the plane in half.

He walked away with out a scratch.
 
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REALLY, mine too. Small world.

528 had the bolt (or nut, both not found with the plane) on the throttle cable fail with a student soloing. Throttle went full and he shut it down, but didn't turn in. He caught the wires short of 6 and folded the plane in half.

He walked away with out a scratch.

Oops.

If you see Tom, say hi for me.
 
Oops.

If you see Tom, say hi for me.

Flight school, lots of hours flown with inexperienced pilots, things happen. Do miss the plane though, really liked the ruder trim.

Haven't see Tom in years now.
 
Necro quote, Malory has always said he wanted Cincinnati out of the airport buisness.

Still is, but in a real reading of the sales contract the intent becomes clear,

Cincinnati shall APPLY for FAA funds (not accept, or even offer a viable plan)

Cincinnati has the option to close the airport if they decide it isn't viable.

There have been several reconfiguration plans on the books for a while as part of the airport master plan. The FAA approved all but one, the one selected (after the FAA rejection) to be the proposed plan.

Cincinnati is also trying to get the FAA to let them spend the funds on non aviation items. We all know the FAA won't agree to that, as I'm sure Cincinnati does too.

Sounds more and more like Meigs minus the middle of the night bulldozers (so far, such is the Blue Ash city MO) doesn't it?

You know, I think the local press should really know about those things - They love to make a big stink.

And... AOPA Fail. :mad:
 
From AOPA on 12/15/11

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articl...-warned-against-closing-blue-ash-airport.html

Cincinnati warned against closing Blue Ash Airport

By Dan Namowitz

News reports that the city of Cincinnati may abandon its support of Blue Ash Airport—and possibly defy FAA warnings about use of funds from a sale—are meeting a strong response from AOPA and local pilots.

“This is just wrong. Cincinnati made commitments, and now they’re backpedaling,” said Bill Dunn, AOPA vice president of airport advocacy. “The aviation community is going to fight this.”

Dunn, in a Dec. 15 letter to Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory, noted continuing news reports suggesting that the city “is seriously considering closing” the airport on the northeast side of the Cincinnati area. The airport is located beneath a Class B airspace segment with a floor of 5,000 feet msl and a ceiling of 10,000 feet.

One report by an area television outlet attributed to City Manager Milton Dohoney comments to the effect that the decision about the airport turned on low revenue production.

Dunn’s letter, as well as pilots interviewed by local news media, countered that claim, citing a 2006 economic impact report crediting the airport with contributing $6.9 million annually to the area’s economy. Additionally, the city of Blue Ash has set aside $2 million to assist with funding the airport’s reconfiguration. Cincinnati has also refused to accept nearly $500,000 of FAA Non-Primary Airport Entitlement funds allocated to Blue Ash Airport.

Pilot Bill Christian, who flies charters all across the country from his business, Blue Ash Aviation, cited the airport’s business-friendly access as a difficult-to-replace asset for the area.

“That airport is so well geographically located, it’s the best airport location of any I’ve ever been to,” he said in a phone interview during a ground stop on a charter he was flying. “It’s going to be sad if it closes.”

The city would face the additional hurdle of FAA scrutiny of how it used proceeds of any sale: a Dec. 13, 2010, FAA letter to Mallory summarized legal restrictions on the use of airport-related funds. “The city of Cincinnati is bound by an enduring obligation to keep all airport revenue within its airport system,” said the letter from the manager of the Detroit Airports District Office.

If Cincinnati officials moved to close or sell Blue Ash Airport, it would run counter to the upbeat approach officials were taking just last spring to revitalizing the airport.

In March, AOPA reported on Dunn’s meeting with airport manager Fred Anderton, who assured him that Cincinnati’s city administration was fully committed to the reconfiguration, and keeping the airport open as a general aviation airport. Officials of Cincinnati and the city of Blue Ash had met to discuss project options and timelines for the airport, which is physically located in the city of Blue Ash. Dunn also met at that time with Blue Ash City Manager David Waltz, who restated his city’s strong desire to see the nontowered airport with its 3,499-foot runway remain open as a GA airport.

The reconfiguration project was expected to take nine to 12 months after FAA grant approval. It includes a 130-acre park featuring a performing arts and conference center on the grounds.

AOPA “will take any and all action we deem necessary to protect this important general aviation airport,” Dunn said in his letter to Cincinnati’s mayor. “It’s unfortunate that Cincinnati apparently doesn’t see the overall transportation and economic impact value of Blue Ash Airport,” said Dunn.
 
Part of the issue is that the airport is outside the contiguous limits of the city of Cincinnati, and within the limits of Blue Ash. Therefore, Cincinnati proper doesn't see the value of the airport. They really should transfer the airport to Blue Ash.
 
Blue Ash could have bought the whole airport for the same price, but declined. There were some city government types that wanted to buy and keep te airport, but they were out of office by the time the final deal was drafted.
 
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